Seahawks fire OC Ryan Grubb after one season

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At conforming to the player? On the contrary, he taught Blake to run his offense. It's the offense Saban hired him to install. He did not conform to Blake Sims. He put some runs in there for him because of his speed, but it was his offense.
I think this idea of thinking Kiffin making Sims be a good quarterback is overblown. Like I said earlier… Kiffin actually recruited Sims and wanted him at Tennessee before bolting to USC. Sims was the type of player he wanted to run his offense. Where kiffin actually struggled was with Coker and Hurts. Coker and Kiffin butted heads alot but the reason it worked in the end was because 1) Derrick Henry and 2) Coker could actually read a field. Jalen Hurts under Kiffin was a bumpy ride that was mostly covered up by the defense.

Point is that Kiffin thrives with a guy that can run his system and is average when he has to force a guy to run his system. I think Milroe under Kiffin would be a colossal train wreck that probably sees us lose 4-5 games in 23-24.
 

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And I’m not saying I like Milroe as a qb because I don’t like Milroe as a qb, but if he was such a problem that everyone is saying then it’s on Deboer and Sheridan as well as Saban and Reese that kept him playing and not moving on from him.
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I think this idea of thinking Kiffin making Sims be a good quarterback is overblown. Like I said earlier… Kiffin actually recruited Sims and wanted him at Tennessee before bolting to USC. Sims was the type of player he wanted to run his offense. Where kiffin actually struggled was with Coker and Hurts. Coker and Kiffin butted heads alot but the reason it worked in the end was because 1) Derrick Henry and 2) Coker could actually read a field. Jalen Hurts under Kiffin was a bumpy ride that was mostly covered up by the defense.

Point is that Kiffin thrives with a guy that can run his system and is average when he has to force a guy to run his system. I think Milroe under Kiffin would be a colossal train wreck that probably sees us lose 4-5 games in 23-24.
Kiffin wanted Sims but not as qb. He had Tyler Bray committed as the future qb of the vols. Sims stated he wanted to play wr in college but was afraid he would be turned in to a db in college. Kiffin wanted Sims as a wr and even told Sims that he’d have a better chance starting for Tenn than Alabama because of the talent Alabama had brought in at wr the year before.
 

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If you really think he couldn’t do a simple zone read type offense if you made that the main offense then we should fire every coach on staff because it doesn’t get much easier to teach then that and if you say he couldn’t make the read then they should be fired because they didn’t have the fortitude to bench him. Either way the OC and offensive coaches were a failure. He failed at OC with Indiana with Penix jr. and has failed at Alabama as OC. When you have a lemon car with a bad tire, you change the wheels and still have a lemon of a car. It’s not magically going to turn in to a Mercedes because you got new Michelin’s.
MEroe’s problem is he couldn’t process what he was seeing in the fire. WR’s 20 yds downfield running to grass. OLB putting guardrails on the zone read, so he couldn’t get outside. You can teach and teach and teach and a player can show you chapter and verse what they are supposed to do but, if they can’t process with speed while some big angry testosterone fueled freaking of an athlete is trying to break every bone in your body, bad decisions are made.
We are going to disagree on this. I’m just not in the camp of the problem being Sheridan. Did he do some bone headed things this year. Yep! Was he put in a horrible place because his Captain QB couldn’t play the position, ABSOLUTELY! I’m willing to give Sheridan another chance with hopefully someone who can properly read a defense in motion and distribute the ball in Kalyn DeBoer’s offense.
 

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Every RPO/Zone read in 2023 was predetermined. Milroe wasn’t given the option to “read” because he couldn’t. In high school, Milroe ran a lot, but most of it was from drop back, not read or option type offense.

Bottom line: Milroe was never developed as a true QB in any system. He was a superior athlete with the ability to throw and great straight line speed. He wasn’t developed coming to Alabama and will leave under developed.

Say what you want about Bill O’Brien. There were a bunch of things he got wrong at Alabama as an OC and QB Coach. One thing he was right about. Milroe isn’t a QB.
I don’t think he’ll leave under developed. He will leave exactly who is. He’s as developed as he’s going to be.
 

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MEroe’s problem is he couldn’t process what he was seeing in the fire. WR’s 20 yds downfield running to grass. OLB putting guardrails on the zone read, so he couldn’t get outside. You can teach and teach and teach and a player can show you chapter and verse what they are supposed to do but, if they can’t process with speed while some big angry testosterone fueled freaking of an athlete is trying to break every bone in your body, bad decisions are made.
We are going to disagree on this. I’m just not in the camp of the problem being Sheridan. Did he do some bone headed things this year. Yep! Was he put in a horrible place because his Captain QB couldn’t play the position, ABSOLUTELY! I’m willing to give Sheridan another chance with hopefully someone who can properly read a defense in motion and distribute the ball in Kalyn DeBoer’s offense.
That’s fair and it’s ok to disagree but I look at his time at Indiana OC as well and he got the worst out of Phenix jr as well as the worse out of a bad Milroe qb. Grubb and Deboer got the most out of of Phenix jr.
 

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Kiffin wanted Sims but not as qb. He had Tyler Bray committed as the future qb of the vols. Sims stated he wanted to play wr in college but was afraid he would be turned in to a db in college. Kiffin wanted Sims as a wr and even told Sims that he’d have a better chance starting for Tenn than Alabama because of the talent Alabama had brought in at wr the year before.
Maybe but Kiffin unlike most coaches is willing to tell a quarterback recruit off and go with an athlete in the position. Sims did play quarterback in high school so it wasn’t exactly new to him.
 
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I don’t think he’ll leave under developed. He will leave exactly who is. He’s as developed as he’s going to be.
To be fair… I thought the interception he threw versus Michigan in his last game was much “crisper” than the interceptions he threw in his second game of 2023 versus Texas.
 
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Give me OC Kiffin with Milroe (as bad as he was this year) and we make playoffs. Look what Kiffin did with Blake Sims. He made the offense around what Sims could do and stayed away from what he couldn’t do.
Kiffin is borderline crazy. He’s full of himself enough to draw plays in the dirt and run them in a game unpracticed. I applaud him for that. He did take Blake Sims and do something with him. The WR screen play where he’d rip the ball out to Coop made a whole lot of hay. But Sims has also stated publicly that if the play broke down “throw toward Coop” was the MO. It worked. Had a defense with a bad attitude to get his back.
 

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You cannot argue with last season’s (‘23) results. CNS got as much out of Milroe as possible.

Part of that may be because as @B1GTide said, teams didn’t have as much film to process on Milroe.

This season, it was inexplicable to keep playing him.
That's the only difference.

But before we adjusted before LSU it was just as bad after a couple of early games when he just threw long balls and nobody saw it coming.

Defenses adjusted early/mid season and then Reese/CNS adjusted and we got away with it (including the lucky play of the year with Auburn).

I know we won the SEC and that counts but '23 was ever bit frustrating as this past year. I don't see much difference in the two because they both finished short.
 

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Kiffin is borderline crazy. He’s full of himself enough to draw plays in the dirt and run them in a game unpracticed. I applaud him for that. He did take Blake Sims and do something with him. The WR screen play where he’d rip the ball out to Coop made a whole lot of hay. But Sims has also stated publicly that if the play broke down “throw toward Coop” was the MO. It worked. Had a defense with a bad attitude to get his back.
Sims almost didn’t make it to college if you ever go back and learn about his journey he changed high schools in 10th grade (I think) because his high school coach told him he would only ever be a juco player because of his grades. He transferred schools and they worked on getting his grades up and he barely qualified for college but made it. Saban admitted to not knowing what to do with him but saban said he played wherever we asked him to play. They tried him at slot, rb, and star I believe on defense. Players like Sims were some of my favorites because they put the team above themselves.

 

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I think this idea of thinking Kiffin making Sims be a good quarterback is overblown. Like I said earlier… Kiffin actually recruited Sims and wanted him at Tennessee before bolting to USC. Sims was the type of player he wanted to run his offense. Where kiffin actually struggled was with Coker and Hurts. Coker and Kiffin butted heads alot but the reason it worked in the end was because 1) Derrick Henry and 2) Coker could actually read a field. Jalen Hurts under Kiffin was a bumpy ride that was mostly covered up by the defense.
It's debatable on whether or not Kiffin's coaching had an impact on Sims' effectiveness that year. And you could be right. However, I just know how gosh awful bad Sims looked in the spring prior to that first season and everybody expected Coker to come in and start. By fall, Sims was clicking and he posted some huge numbers that year. Yet he never made it in the pros.

Point is that Kiffin thrives with a guy that can run his system and is average when he has to force a guy to run his system. I think Milroe under Kiffin would be a colossal train wreck that probably sees us lose 4-5 games in 23-24.
That could be said of every OC ever. ;)
 
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I didn’t say they couldn’t, Coach is saying he would dictate to the quarterback what was going to be run because he’s the coach.

The coaches have no control over the programs any more. They get to coach the players who want to be there, and those players can change their mind at any time for any reason.
 
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It's debatable on whether or not Kiffin's coaching had an impact on Sims' effectiveness that year. And you could be right. However, I just know how gosh awful bad Sims looked in the spring prior to that first season and everybody expected Coker to come in and start. By fall, Sims was clicking and he posted some huge numbers that year. Yet he never made it in the pros.


That could be said of every OC ever. ;)
2 things…

1) Sims actually did have a great spring. Everyone remembers the A day game but in the scrimmages and practices Sims was far better than his A day showing.

2) My point is that everyone can look like a genius if the guy fits perfectly in his system or he has a generational quarterback. I think too many give Kiffin an unlimited amount of praise for what they perceived him to have done with Blake sims and not enough blame for his lack of development on Jalen Hurts, Blake Barnett, and David Cornwall.

I mean if we are really being serious, I would say Enos and Locksley did far to correct Jalen Hurts than what Kiffin did to “correct” Blake sims.

My whole central point is that I just don’t buy the idea that if Kiffin was coaching Milroe then we would be clearly better at the quarterback position. I have his lack of development with Jalen Hurts to counter that point of view. I think someone like a committed Gus Malzhan or Rhett Lashley are the type of guys that could probably get the most out of Milroe.
 

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I didn’t say they couldn’t, Coach is saying he would dictate to the quarterback what was going to be run because he’s the coach.

The coaches have no control over the programs any more. They get to coach the players who want to be there, and those players can change their mind at any time for any reason.
Coaches have all the control over what to run and who to play. Players have the right to leave if they want. If our coach lets the player dictate what we run, who we play, etc then I don’t want that coach period. They will never win anything and will run a program in to the ground.
 
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Guys, it's time to stop. This thread has drifted from a discussion of Ryan Grubb into yet another dissection of Jalen Milroe.

Jalen Milroe isn't with the team anymore. We can praise him or trash him. Either way, he's history.

Whether his limitations played into Sheridan's game-planning and play-calling, we all have our opinions. But none of us truly know why, how, when, where, or under what combination of down and distance those limitations played into Sheridan's thought processes.

Whether the clear offensive limitations were Jalen's fault for not taking coaching or Sheridan's fault for not developing Jalen, none of us know.

We're beating a dead horse and sowing unnecessary discord amongst the fans.

It does neither the players, the program, the coaches, nor the fans any good to continue....especially when it inevitably devolves into a [spitting] contest regarding who knows more about football and / or who loves Alabama football more.

The [spitting] contest stops now. Thread locked unless and until new information develops or comes to light.
 
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