Im in agreement to get rid of Arkansas as well as Miss St. if it ever became possible. Ive always heard that it isnt because of the charter member excuse. Ark though and MissSt would be the perfect 2 to drop and Id love to add 2 teams in their places from the state of Texas and a team from the state of North Carolina for obvious recruiting reasons and tv markets and exposure.
SEC Expansion (Poll)
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It is. I forgot to include the Tampa/St. Pete market in with my other remarks. All the more reason to bring them into the conference....
By the way, I was curious so I took a look at attendance numbers football games. I couldn't find 2007 numbers but I did find 2006-1998:
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/attendance/
One thing I noticed was that Arkansas and South Carolina pulled their own weight. In 1998 South Carolina was 15th in attendance and Arkansas was 31st. In 2006 South Carolina was 19th and Arkansas was 20th. The bottom teams each year (from the SEC) were Ole Miss, Miss. State and Vanderbilt.
One clearly beneficial addition would be Clemson, they were in the top 20 in attendance each year I checked. In 2006 they were 14th in attendance. They seem like one reasonable replacement if Arkansas were to leave, but to go through all the trouble of replacing Arkansas with Clemson for perhaps a small gain seems silly (although I like the idea of a in-state rival for SC). In either case, now that I've seen the numbers if the SEC adds a team Clemson seems like a good fit. They have tradition, they support their team but they would be middle of the pack in terms of difficulty.
I noticed that Georgia Tech doesn't really do that well in attendance, 48th in 98, 40th in 2006... dropping a team like Arkansas for them seems like folly if you go simply by the numbers although once again if Arkansas leaves on their own they should come into consideration.
In the popular to bring up but don't sell tickets front, Memphis is always behind Vanderbilt (80th in 98, 71st in 06). Southern Miss has close to half the attendance Ole Miss.
Louisville and Baylor are a couple of teams that don't really do that bad in attendance. East Carolina is surprising as they are in the 60s (ahead of Vandy for example) each year which seems like darn good attendance for East Carolina...
Anyway, taking this all into account (yeah ok I have nothing better to do), if the SEC was going to expand to 16 teams I would love for it to be Clemson, Louisville and then a hard look at Texas or NC (NC has three teams that have fairly good attendance, none of which would be that scary on a schedule).
http://www.ncaa.org/stats/football/attendance/
One thing I noticed was that Arkansas and South Carolina pulled their own weight. In 1998 South Carolina was 15th in attendance and Arkansas was 31st. In 2006 South Carolina was 19th and Arkansas was 20th. The bottom teams each year (from the SEC) were Ole Miss, Miss. State and Vanderbilt.
One clearly beneficial addition would be Clemson, they were in the top 20 in attendance each year I checked. In 2006 they were 14th in attendance. They seem like one reasonable replacement if Arkansas were to leave, but to go through all the trouble of replacing Arkansas with Clemson for perhaps a small gain seems silly (although I like the idea of a in-state rival for SC). In either case, now that I've seen the numbers if the SEC adds a team Clemson seems like a good fit. They have tradition, they support their team but they would be middle of the pack in terms of difficulty.
I noticed that Georgia Tech doesn't really do that well in attendance, 48th in 98, 40th in 2006... dropping a team like Arkansas for them seems like folly if you go simply by the numbers although once again if Arkansas leaves on their own they should come into consideration.
In the popular to bring up but don't sell tickets front, Memphis is always behind Vanderbilt (80th in 98, 71st in 06). Southern Miss has close to half the attendance Ole Miss.
Louisville and Baylor are a couple of teams that don't really do that bad in attendance. East Carolina is surprising as they are in the 60s (ahead of Vandy for example) each year which seems like darn good attendance for East Carolina...
Anyway, taking this all into account (yeah ok I have nothing better to do), if the SEC was going to expand to 16 teams I would love for it to be Clemson, Louisville and then a hard look at Texas or NC (NC has three teams that have fairly good attendance, none of which would be that scary on a schedule).
I wouldn't include GT in any expansion the SEC does from now to infinity. They screwed up by leaving and by subsequent events. We could forgive them...but we won't forget. Same would apply to FSU, etc.
However, unless the ACC collapses these are moot points.
Thus, the reason I think the only schools that would be viable options are those like the ones in the poll. There are probably other similar schools that would work as well. However, I don't see the SEC expanding unless it were with TOP caliber schools in multiple sports (i.e. the FSUs of the world)
However, unless the ACC collapses these are moot points.
Thus, the reason I think the only schools that would be viable options are those like the ones in the poll. There are probably other similar schools that would work as well. However, I don't see the SEC expanding unless it were with TOP caliber schools in multiple sports (i.e. the FSUs of the world)
That's a horrible list of teams to choose from. UCF and USF are the only two viable choices on there, none of the others would bring a damn thing to the SEC. They all have inadequate stadiums, weak fan support and add nothing to the TV/Media marketing. Also, how many of them would be able to handle the thousands upon thousands of visiting fans coming to their towns needing motels, restaurants, RV facilities, etc?
This thread comes up several times a year and it's always doomed because there are always some who will propose USM. USM is simply not equipped to be an SEC team and in this thread's list, most of the schools proposed are even worse than USM.
This thread comes up several times a year and it's always doomed because there are always some who will propose USM. USM is simply not equipped to be an SEC team and in this thread's list, most of the schools proposed are even worse than USM.
:iagree: I don't think the SEC needs to expand, but if so, then I think these 2 would be the best out of the choices presented. Personally, I wouldn't mind TCU and East Carolina so that the recruting base could be expanded into North Carolina and Texas.
Rather than expanding, I'd rather see the SEC work out deals with other BCS conferences for two rotating non-conference games for each team per year.
For example, for two years each SEC school would play one Big-10 school and one PAC-10 school. The match ups would be determined at random. It could be the same teams would play again the next year in a home and home arrangement or just do another random selection. This would give the polls (especially the computer ones) more data to work with.
Of course there are more SEC schools than Big-10 or PAC-10 schools but something could be worked out - especially since UGA, UF, UK and USC already have OOC rivals.
Making the conference bigger would just be more of seeing the same teams over and over again.
For example, for two years each SEC school would play one Big-10 school and one PAC-10 school. The match ups would be determined at random. It could be the same teams would play again the next year in a home and home arrangement or just do another random selection. This would give the polls (especially the computer ones) more data to work with.
Of course there are more SEC schools than Big-10 or PAC-10 schools but something could be worked out - especially since UGA, UF, UK and USC already have OOC rivals.
Making the conference bigger would just be more of seeing the same teams over and over again.
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It's On A Slab
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Do not add anymore teams from the states of Alabama, Tennessee, or Mississippi. Get a couple of teams from Georgia and Florida. Tulane dropped out of the SEC a long time ago, as did Ga.Tech, so I don't want them back. Most of the other teams mentioned would dilute the image of the SEC, imo. South Florida is up and coming, as is Central Florida, those are the two that I would go with.
My head says GT. My heart says "over my dead body".
My heart says UAB and Southern Miss (and that's the way I voted). My head says "what, are you freakin' stoopid?"
Oh, well. At least I'm not talking to myself.
Am not.
:willy_nilly:
My heart says UAB and Southern Miss (and that's the way I voted). My head says "what, are you freakin' stoopid?"
Oh, well. At least I'm not talking to myself.
Am not.
:willy_nilly:
how about the freckin big 11 and pac10 add a team ot 2 and man up and play a championship game. hell make notredame play in a confrence
Since this subject somehow got bumped and this is something I contemplate from time to time I'll toss my two cents in again.
If there is a expansion I think it has to center around expanding the reach of the conference and increasing the SEC fanbase, maintaining a good reputation while making the SEC slightly less self destructive. The key is popular/competitive schools with good attendance or geographic locations that can pull their own weight without making the SEC impossible.
Currently there are 4 non-conference games, 8 in conference games 5 of which are the division. If you expand the conference to 16 teams, you go with one static out of division game and the rest are in division. This can preserve rivalary games (such as UT) while limiting the chance of rematches in the SEC championship games.
The right additions and you could add in-state rivals, add more automatic bowl games, expand regional television broadcasts, prevent SEC rematches and perhaps even open up another at-large BCS game. What I wouldn't want to see is a team with very poor attendance or a third team from a particular state. They need to pull their own weight and three is a crowd... A major key is that you have teams people will care about and games people will care about even if there is a off year. So, rivalries and good attendance are important.
Based on these ideas here are some teams I'd want considered:
Clemson: Clearly the top candidate in my mind, good but not great. Great attendance, in-state rivalry for South Carolina.
Louisville: They show decent support for their football team, but aren't too good. Would bring in good basketball revenue and has a in-state rival.
West Virginia: Better traditionally than one might assume, litterally blue collar. Good attendance.
South Florida: Competitive, lot of students, in-state rival. Big potential TV viewership.
North Carolina: The SEC would gain a lot from expanding into North Carolina. Their basketball team would be a big plus.
Marshall: Only a consideration if you add West Virginia.
There are quite a few other teams that could fit. NC State, East Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc... I think you'd want a couple perfect fits to build around then you'd see what else would fit.
If there is a expansion I think it has to center around expanding the reach of the conference and increasing the SEC fanbase, maintaining a good reputation while making the SEC slightly less self destructive. The key is popular/competitive schools with good attendance or geographic locations that can pull their own weight without making the SEC impossible.
Currently there are 4 non-conference games, 8 in conference games 5 of which are the division. If you expand the conference to 16 teams, you go with one static out of division game and the rest are in division. This can preserve rivalary games (such as UT) while limiting the chance of rematches in the SEC championship games.
The right additions and you could add in-state rivals, add more automatic bowl games, expand regional television broadcasts, prevent SEC rematches and perhaps even open up another at-large BCS game. What I wouldn't want to see is a team with very poor attendance or a third team from a particular state. They need to pull their own weight and three is a crowd... A major key is that you have teams people will care about and games people will care about even if there is a off year. So, rivalries and good attendance are important.
Based on these ideas here are some teams I'd want considered:
Clemson: Clearly the top candidate in my mind, good but not great. Great attendance, in-state rivalry for South Carolina.
Louisville: They show decent support for their football team, but aren't too good. Would bring in good basketball revenue and has a in-state rival.
West Virginia: Better traditionally than one might assume, litterally blue collar. Good attendance.
South Florida: Competitive, lot of students, in-state rival. Big potential TV viewership.
North Carolina: The SEC would gain a lot from expanding into North Carolina. Their basketball team would be a big plus.
Marshall: Only a consideration if you add West Virginia.
There are quite a few other teams that could fit. NC State, East Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, etc... I think you'd want a couple perfect fits to build around then you'd see what else would fit.
Yep, add BYU and either Boise State or Utah to the PAC 10 and Notre Dame to the Big 11. Add 3 teams to the Big East and they all have 12 teams, conference championship games for all conferences to get into a BCS game. Notre Dame is in a conference or they get no BCS game period.
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rolltidescott
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First of all, leave it at 12. Period.
However, if we were forced by Federal law
)) to go to 14, I agree with Ga. Tech and Clemson.
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