Shula Bashing/Shula's Future

[TENNTIDE1]

Re: For all you Shula Bashers

Did you just compare CMS to Bear Bryant and Gene Stallings..... BAH HAHAHAHHA where can I get some of whatever you're smoking.

No I didn't compare CMS with Bryant or Stallings and I'm not smoking anything.

I said, I want him to have a statue in that empty spot. I am implying that if he is as successful as I want him to be and wins a NC, he may get that spot.

Stallings only won one NC and is not dead and he has a statue. I am assuming that is the measure for a statue, win a NC. I may be wrong. Do you think it is reserved for Dubose, Fran or Price?

I didn't know it was that difficult to read or understand.

Have you tried "Hukt on Fonniks"?

Believe me, I don't want any of what you are doing.

 

[holaw002]

How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

This isn't started because of the last few losses; its just something i was thinking about the other day while remembering all the coaches we've had. There are definitely arguments to say that Shula should stay, and even some to say he should go. But let's say he doesn't beat the Barn this year; would he get the Bill Curry treatment? Or would they keep him since he's comming in at one of Bama's darkest times since the 1950's (and still managed to have a 10-2 season last year and will still have a winning season this year). Will Mal Moore keep just to have some stability get brought back into the program and then boot him? (and before anything is said; i absolutely love CMS, i think he's a great fit; but i don't do the hiring and firing at Bama, so it doesn't matter what i think) I'm just wanting some opinions on how long people think Shula will stay here at the Capstone.

 

[Bamapossum]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

Probably a lot longer than this thread will last on the board...

 

[KanBama]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

I'm going to step out on a limb and say:

1. As long as the University wants him there.

2. When he decides to retire.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

I think that Shula has a home for the next 3 years, no matter what happens. If, in those three years, he continues to improve the program, he will have a job for life.

I think that Alabama can pay him, with the other perks, enough to keep him around for the next 30 years. If he wins, he would be placed in higher regard within the state than winning in the NFL could achieve. His father stayed with the Dolphins for his entire career. He put down roots. I think that Shula is likely to do the same thing.

So, whether it is for the money, his ego, or his family, if Shula wins, he is better off staying at Bama than going to the NFL. I think he stays...

 

[Jim Morris]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

This isn't started because of the last few losses; its just something i was thinking about the other day while remembering all the coaches we've had. There are definitely arguments to say that Shula should stay, and even some to say he should go. But let's say he doesn't beat the Barn this year; would he get the Bill Curry treatment? Or would they keep him since he's comming in at one of Bama's darkest times since the 1950's (and still managed to have a 10-2 season last year and will still have a winning season this year). Will Mal Moore keep just to have some stability get brought back into the program and then boot him? (and before anything is said; i absolutely love CMS, i think he's a great fit; but i don't do the hiring and firing at Bama, so it doesn't matter what i think) I'm just wanting some opinions on how long people think Shula will stay here at the Capstone.

Not unless he says someone threw a brick(from the outside) through his office window. :eek2:

 

[TommyMac]

I tghink we should scrap the mentality that Coach Shula did us a favor by accepting the job. First of all, he was the QB coach for a HC with a very uncertain future and it's doubtful that other NFL teams were gonna be beating down his door when Wannstadt got fired as expected. Secondly, I don't know what he was making with the Dolphins, but I'd lay odds that he got a huge pay raise when he came to BAMA. His taking the job wasn't exactly an act of mercy.

 

[NYBamaFan]

I tghink we should scrap the mentality that Coach Shula did us a favor by accepting the job. First of all, he was the QB coach for a HC with a very uncertain future and it's doubtful that other NFL teams were gonna be beating down his door when Wannstadt got fired as expected. Secondly, I don't know what he was making with the Dolphins, but I'd lay odds that he got a huge pay raise when he came to BAMA. His taking the job wasn't exactly an act of mercy.

Agreed - the position at Alabama was great for him and for us - and the timing was such that it almost seemed like destiny was involved. Both sides benefit in great ways.

 

[Dr. Van Nostran]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

I think that Shula has a home for the next 3 years, no matter what happens. If, in those three years, he continues to improve the program, he will have a job for life.

I think that Alabama can pay him, with the other perks, enough to keep him around for the next 30 years. If he wins, he would be placed in higher regard within the state than winning in the NFL could achieve. His father stayed with the Dolphins for his entire career. He put down roots. I think that Shula is likely to do the same thing.

So, whether it is for the money, his ego, or his family, if Shula wins, he is better off staying at Bama than going to the NFL. I think he stays...

Have you seen anything to make you think the NFL would want him? The League looks for high scoring college coaches.

 

[TexasTideFan]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

I think that Shula has a home for the next 3 years, no matter what happens. If, in those three years, he continues to improve the program, he will have a job for life.

I agree, however alot of how comfortable he feels in those 3 years will come down to how many wins he gets over Auburn. There is going to be alot of backlash if he loses to Auburn this year and he knows that because he's a UA grad, former player, and certainly not ignorant when it comes to knowing the importance of not losing to your in-state rival 5 times in a row. Nothing will probably change with a loss as far as coaching moves go, but the heat will definately get turned up by the more influential alumni.

Next year is when the the microscope gets turned on high. It's a fact that we are young this year, but we should be competitive next year with more experience and a very favorable home schedule. If we don't compete for an SEC Championship next year, there are going to be at the least, some coaching changes.

If the following year we continue to be an average SEC team then we could be looking at a coaching change. However, that's not what the school wants or really needs and truthfully, I doubt it happens.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

Have you seen anything to make you think the NFL would want him? The League looks for high scoring college coaches.

My assumption there was that Shula began to show real success at this level. NFL teams are looking for winning head coaches, not just great offensive minds. Most NFL championships are won the same way that college championships are won - on the strength of great defenses...

 

[Really Big Bama Fan]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

Most NFL championships are won the same way that college championships are won - on the strength of great defenses...

So, are we in danger of losing Joe Kines to the NFL?

 

[Dr. Van Nostran]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

My assumption there was that Shula began to show real success at this level. NFL teams are looking for winning head coaches, not just great offensive minds. Most NFL championships are won the same way that college championships are won - on the strength of great defenses...

I totally agree with you NYBF, but in that case Coach Kines might get that phone call first.

 

[bayoutider]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

Have you seen anything to make you think the NFL would want him? The League looks for high scoring college coaches.

Like Butch Davis and Steve Spurrier.

 

[NYBamaFan]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

So, are we in danger of losing Joe Kines to the NFL?

As a defensive coordinator? Perhaps. You know that his name is one of the hotter ones in the country in that regard. Of course, he isn't likely to get the kind of support in the NFL that he will get from Shula.

I doubt that he will try HC again...

 

[WPtider]

Re: For all you Shula Bashers

Second, I would like to know (in a list) just which games CMS "cost us." And remember when you list those games that it must be primarily his fault... can't be the players involved at all.

I've been less critical of Shula this week bc I thought he coached a solid game against UF. The drive at the end of the 1st half made me feel like he was trying to win the football game and he was able to finally throw the ball enough to establish a rushing game. But now to answer your question, I don't think there are games that you can ever say this one is 100% on the coach. Saying that, I think Shula contributed to the Ark 2003/2006, N. Ill 2003, HI 2003, UT2003 losses. I don't think I've ever seen a team less prepared to play their rival than we were against AU last year. Some of that has to be on the coaches. You can even argue that his inability to learn about pulling people from games that have already been decided cost us any game where Brody in 2004 or Prothro in 2005/2006 may have been able to change. (He had the seperated shoulder incident w/Brody in a 31-0 UGA game in 2003 to learn this lesson in case you're wondering). Now let me throw a question back. What games has Shula won? And remeber in those games it must be primarily his fault. As an example of what I'm looking for I'll use a loss. Fran in the 2002 OU game. He generated I think around 7 points on his own. The onside kick for a FG and the fake FG for the TD. Say what you want about Fran (I have plenty to say about his character) but in that game he spotted his team a TD against the #1 team in the nation on the road.

 

[Crimsongator]

Re: For all you Shula Bashers

Just because someone has concerns about how the team is playing, and just because someone is NOT a sunshine pumper...does NOT make them a Shula basher nor a player basher.

Well, maybe you're right - but my Daddy always taught me that if you ain't for me (the team, coaches and players) - then well, dadgum it, you are against me - when you talk bad about me - well the only way I can take it is that you are against me - but then again maybe you're rigt - but I don't think so.

 

[TiderInTally]

Re: How Long Will Shula Be At Bama?

This is all unduly speculative, IMHO. Why are we talking about CMS's future, when THIS season is not even half-over? I, for one, am NOT ready to give up. Bama is fully capable of beating UT, even on the road at the Fortress of Evil, a.k.a. Neiland Stadium. LSU and AU? Not nearly as likely, especially the way LSU is playing. But stranger things have happened. If the wind blows the right way . . . maybe Joe Kines studies the AU/LSU game tape and figures out how to slow down JaMarcus Russel, or maybe AU comes to Bryant-Denny overconfident like UF did last year.

7-5 is a disappointingly probable outcome. 8-4 is a realistic hope. 9-3 and I would turn cartwheels down University Blvd. 10-2, frankly, would take a miracle. But as long as we're speculating . . .

I think that Shula has a home for the next 3 years, no matter what happens. If, in those three years, he continues to improve the program, he will have a job for life.

Hmmm, have to respectfully disagree with the blanket statement that CMS will have a home for 3 more years come hell or high water. This season, all CMS has to do is beat the teams he is supposed to beat, and ONE of the 3 remaining "quality" opponents (preferably UT or AU), and he'll get a pass. Bama fans will grumble, but having braggin' rights over at least ONE decent team goes a long way towards his job security.

Let's say Bama goes 7-5 during the regular season - which is entirely plausible, by the way - and winds up losing the Poulon Weedeater Bowl (or whatever). In that case, the reactionary anti-Shula crowd will be calling for his head, but nothing will happen. The administration, and the fans who actually understand the game, will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Barring a miracle in 2006, however, 2007 will be a critical year for CMS. 2007 is going to be a challenging season. The conference schedule is still murderous (trading UF for UGA, although most of the rough games are at home), and the non-conference schedule is ratcheted up with a game vs. FSU at a "neutral" site - 2.5 hours from Tallahssee. I'm not saying that a NC is required in 2007, but Bama should not lose to Arkansas - hardly ever - and should at least bat .500 against teams like LSU, AU, UT, etc. - year in and year out.

Bama fans are notoriously impatient, as we all know. By next year, CMS will have had three years at full recruitment depth, and all of his players will have been brought up in "his" program from the beginning of their college careers. The "still learning his job" and "the NCAA is the Devil" excuses will start wearing MIGHTY thin. Results matter. If CMS doesn't win all the "gimme" games (INCLUDING Arkansas), and beat 3 of Bama's 5 "quality" opponents (FSU, LSU, UT, UGA and AU), he could be in hot water at the end of 2007.

If 2006 goes in the tank (7-5 or, God forbid, worse), and 2007 is subpar (not at least competing for the right to go to the SECCG), 2008 is going to have to be spectacular (SEC Championship, or maybe an at-large BCS bowl bid) for CMS to survive to 2009.