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KrAzY3 said:
How did it work out?

I'm talking about risk mitigation, not handcuffing. Tua got hurt on a passing play. This might have cost Alabama the LSU game because he wasn't healthy. Then, Tua got out for the season on a passing play where he was trying to do too much when Alabama already had the game well in hand. Then of course there's the passing play three yards from the end zone that cost the team the Auburn game and a shot at a championship.

Every time you let the quarterback keep the ball in his hands you are dramatically increasing the odds he gets injured and you are dramatically increasing the odds that the team turns the ball over. This isn't opinion, it's statistical fact. That doesn't mean you don't ever do that, you do need a balanced offense, but you mitigate the risk by having a strong running game so you're not forced into doing that, or that it doesn't become habitual. Tua got injured for the season on a routine play, but a routine play that never should have happened. He shouldn't have had the ball in his hands on the sideline in those circumstances, period but it was ingrained behavior.

As far as the other stuff, keeping people happy and what have you, a balanced offense that protects the ball and protects the QB is far more important than an offense that just keeps people happy. That 2019 team has Najee, they fed him the ball more and developed that running game like they did the following year, that season almost certainly goes better. Does that mean less passing yards? It does, but a healthy Tua and a championship seem like a good trade. I would also add it should have some value to keep running backs happy as well.

Other than that we can go back and forth but this QB hero stuff is not championship football. It risks the quarterbacks health, it doesn't protect the football, and it abandons the run. If I look at 2018-2022 I see fantastic QB play every single year but I only see championship football one year, that was the year I also saw fantastic running back play.

Having said that, this is probably Alabama football for the foreseeable future, and we'll always get mad when the QB has a bad game because it means Alabama lost the game.

Edit: I think you and I can disagree on a lot of stuff but I'd bet we'd both love to see another RB at Alabama with 1,500 yards and 20 TDs.
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Tua was was/is flat-out injury prone. He was the antithesis of Jalen Hurts who has always been able to avoid major hits. Some players are just like that, but it has nothing to do with offensive philosophy/scheme.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
Milroe would be an idiot not to go to the NFL this season seeing how weak the QB class is. Next year's class will be a lot stronger and his chances of going first round will definitely plummet.
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If Milroe is a first-round pick, then I am an astronaut.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
Then what was the meeting about and what did Milroe disclose to CKD?
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Let's just say, I hope you are right, and I hope I am wrong.
Tyler Booker had a meeting that Monday also and he has been dead silent also.

Neither one got the " Let's get dressed up for the first-round pick show" news they were hoping for.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
Anthony Richardson is all you need to know. If Richardson can go in the first round Jalen Milroe DANG SURE can and WILL go in the first round.
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When you have a very knowledgeable guy like AJ Mc Carron going over his faults, why he can't pass very accurately and basically why he sucks as a QB, I would tend to listen to him. AR had bad actors around him, and he admitted to that.
 
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LittleLexi said:
When you have a very knowledgeable guy like AJ Mc Carron going over his faults, why he can't pass very accurately and basically why he sucks as a QB, I would tend to listen to him. AR had bad actors around him, and he admitted to that.
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Those bad actors got him a top-five pick in the NFL draft and more money than most people could ever spend. So how bad were they?
 
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LittleLexi said:
When you have a very knowledgeable guy like AJ Mc Carron going over his faults, why he can't pass very accurately and basically why he sucks as a QB, I would tend to listen to him. AR had bad actors around him, and he admitted to that.
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As much as I like AJ and put credibility into what he says. I HIGHLY doubt NFL scouts, owners and GM's give two pickled turds what AJ McCarron thinks. These guy look at potential, raw athletic talent and inject a formula of "Potential+Coaching=Franchise QB" into their thinking. It's been going on for decades.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
How did it work out?

I'm talking about risk mitigation, not handcuffing. Tua got hurt on a passing play. This might have cost Alabama the LSU game because he wasn't healthy. Then, Tua got out for the season on a passing play where he was trying to do too much when Alabama already had the game well in hand. Then of course there's the passing play three yards from the end zone that cost the team the Auburn game and a shot at a championship.

Every time you let the quarterback keep the ball in his hands you are dramatically increasing the odds he gets injured and you are dramatically increasing the odds that the team turns the ball over. This isn't opinion, it's statistical fact. That doesn't mean you don't ever do that, you do need a balanced offense, but you mitigate the risk by having a strong running game so you're not forced into doing that, or that it doesn't become habitual. Tua got injured for the season on a routine play, but a routine play that never should have happened. He shouldn't have had the ball in his hands on the sideline in those circumstances, period but it was ingrained behavior.

As far as the other stuff, keeping people happy and what have you, a balanced offense that protects the ball and protects the QB is far more important than an offense that just keeps people happy. That 2019 team has Najee, they fed him the ball more and developed that running game like they did the following year, that season almost certainly goes better. Does that mean less passing yards? It does, but a healthy Tua and a championship seem like a good trade. I would also add it should have some value to keep running backs happy as well.

Other than that we can go back and forth but this QB hero stuff is not championship football. It risks the quarterbacks health, it doesn't protect the football, and it abandons the run. If I look at 2018-2022 I see fantastic QB play every single year but I only see championship football one year, that was the year I also saw fantastic running back play.

Having said that, this is probably Alabama football for the foreseeable future, and we'll always get mad when the QB has a bad game because it means Alabama lost the game.

Edit: I think you and I can disagree on a lot of stuff but I'd bet we'd both love to see another RB at Alabama with 1,500 yards and 20 TDs.
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What exactly are you expecting us to do? It's not like we have been overly successful running the ball with the backs this season anyways. Milroe can't execute your traditional offense, so we can't do that. You say we shouldn't rely so much on Milroe, but he is the QB, after all. He is so limited as a passer that this is the only we can use him. I think what you're really arguing for without realizing it, is for someone different to be back there at QB.

I'm not saying Sheridan is the answer, but he might be. We really don't know, because he's been calling plays with one arm tied behind.his back .And I know you wanna try to point to his time at Indiana as proof he isn't good, but Penix only played in 5 games that season, and Penix was pretty awful that year, even when he did play. That was also before the portal truly kicked into gear, so the talent level was not very good at all. It's Indiana, for crying out loud. Yes, Cignettinis doing well there, but he also has a good portion of his James Madison team that was 11-1 last year. This season for Indiana is an anomaly so you can't really compare it to that.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
As much as I like AJ and put credibility into what he says. I HIGHLY doubt NFL scouts, owners and GM's give two pickled turds what AJ McCarron thinks. These guy look at potential, raw athletic talent and inject a formula of "Potential+Coaching=Franchise QB" into their thinking. It's been going on for decades.
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I also don’t recall him saying the Milroe sucks…not even in veiled terms.

He was very critical, but I think a lot of people hear what they want to hear.

Reminds me of talking to divorce clients.
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
I appreciate the effort but it doesn’t matter how many of us tell it or who it comes from it’s just not going to be accepted.

There could be video and/or audio evidence and the response would be “it’s fake I don’t believe it”

I’m tired of it.
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Facepalms don’t care about your facts…
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
As much as I like AJ and put credibility into what he says. I HIGHLY doubt NFL scouts, owners and GM's give two pickled turds what AJ McCarron thinks. These guy look at potential, raw athletic talent and inject a formula of "Potential+Coaching=Franchise QB" into their thinking. It's been going on for decades.
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Lol NFL GMs don’t even watch college football.
 
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