The Decline of the DNC II

Crimson1967

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“By aggregating votes across ballots and failing to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way, the DNC’s process violated its own Charter and Bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity,” argued Free, a citizen of the Choctaw Nation.
I would comment but I have no idea what this word salad even means.

If I were a cynic, I would think someone in the establishment suggested to her she do this after one of the winners threatened to go whole hog in the primaries against anyone who isn’t young enough and woke enough to meet his standards.
 

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I would comment but I have no idea what this word salad even means.

If I were a cynic, I would think someone in the establishment suggested to her she do this after one of the winners threatened to go whole hog in the primaries against anyone who isn’t young enough and woke enough to meet his standards.
I hate to say it, but this has been how to get ahead or bully the higher-ups in the DNC - off and on - since 1969. And it carries over into how they attempt to win elections - anything negative said about any person of color, not the male gender, not a straight person is, by definition, oppression and used as leverage. Well, just so long as the one it's being said about is NOT a conservative or a Republican and then it's okay.

I'm only being slightly facetious. Every once in awhile they manage to navigate it a little better, but this has gone on ever since they put themselves on the record for quota representation at the Reform Commission, it has been the style of argument from someone wanting their way. They took a good idea - prohibit the exclusion of blacks as was practiced by Mississippi (most notably but others, too) in 1964 - and reversed it to "certain groups MUST BE INCLUDED" as if those are the same, and they're not. And once a Wisconsin professor (Austin Ranney) and then Senator Birch Bayh went on the record with the contradictory promise of "no quotas but guaranteed representation by percentage" (summarizing) and the Commission voted it into the rules, they then added youth and women. There was a government professor from Harvard (his name? Samuel Beer) who warned them that "it would be a grave mistake and would never work" - and he was right.

Of course, that was long ago and the DNC - like the RNC (well, sometimes)- changes their rules every five minutes to address the grievance of the last loser. But the arguments used to "get my way" in that scenario are pretty much all the same. Jesse Jackson used to whine about how "I got X percent of the vote but only 1/3X of the delegates", and rather than tell him to get a life, they'd change the rules for him - even though that very subject had been bandied about as far back as 1960 and the Kennedy-Humphrey competition.

I read a variant of the same "racial" argument in 1980 and a weakened Carter having to go along up to a point. So she's probably not saying it because she even believes it; she's probably saying it because it has worked many times in the past.

I mean, look no further than Cory Booker's comments as we entered 2020:

“more billionaires than black people”

Yes, but neither Booker nor Kamala Harris made the cut with the VOTERS or the polling. Harris got as high as 2nd in the polls when she bloodied Biden in the debate, but the fact is the more people saw of Harris in 2019, the more they didn't like her, plain and simple. It wasn't a racist thing, it wasn't a sexist thing; if it had been, she never would have been so high in the polls in the first place.

They were given a fair chance, and they lost. The same thing happened to Howard Dean and Ed Muskie (among others). Muskie didn't lose because people were telling Polish jokes.
 
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My big issue with the primary system is I have no idea how it works and reading about it doesn’t give any clear description.

I go to the primary and see a list of delegates to vote for. I see who they are aligned with but have no idea who they are or what they believe. Then I see on the news someone “won” the primary by getting the most votes but then I see the delegate distribution doesn’t always line up with the voting percentages. Then we have the superdelegates.

I saw a John Oliver piece about this from 2016. He quoted Trump as saying the system was screwed up because he had the most support but didn’t have the most delegates. Oliver said you know a system is bad when the most sensible observation came from Trump.
 

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Same Presser:

Schumer: "Trump has the lowest 100 day approval rating since they started polling."

2 Minutes later.

Manu Raju: "There's a poll out today that has your approval rating lower than any other Congressional leader at 17 percent."

Schumer: "Polls come and go."


LOL, what a putz!
That is hilarious... Schumer doesn't give a crap about anything but the $$$ his votes bring his investment accounts!
 

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My big issue with the primary system is I have no idea how it works and reading about it doesn’t give any clear description.

I go to the primary and see a list of delegates to vote for. I see who they are aligned with but have no idea who they are or what they believe. Then I see on the news someone “won” the primary by getting the most votes but then I see the delegate distribution doesn’t always line up with the voting percentages. Then we have the superdelegates.

I saw a John Oliver piece about this from 2016. He quoted Trump as saying the system was screwed up because he had the most support but didn’t have the most delegates. Oliver said you know a system is bad when the most sensible observation came from Trump.
Primary? What’s that? All you need to overturn that is George Clooney to show up and replace the winner. Disenfranchising 14 million votes for biden is ok. Constitutional crisis? Evidently not.
 

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My big issue with the primary system is I have no idea how it works and reading about it doesn’t give any clear description.

I go to the primary and see a list of delegates to vote for. I see who they are aligned with but have no idea who they are or what they believe. Then I see on the news someone “won” the primary by getting the most votes but then I see the delegate distribution doesn’t always line up with the voting percentages. Then we have the superdelegates.

I saw a John Oliver piece about this from 2016. He quoted Trump as saying the system was screwed up because he had the most support but didn’t have the most delegates. Oliver said you know a system is bad when the most sensible observation came from Trump.
It's a little messed up, and it's phony top to bottom, but it's the system we have.

I'll try (and fail) to keep it brief. And I know you'll know some of this as you're well-informed. Please note this is an overview, simplistic version, it doesn't cover every nuance.

Short version:
Every state has a contest (some, like Texas, have two), you vote for the candidate, the candidate with the most votes IN A DISTRICT (again - most places) gets either all or a proportion of delegates, and you need 50% plus one of the delegates to win the nomination. The delegates themselves are - like the Electoral College "electors" - are generally loyal members of the party, but they tend to be people pledged before the election with "If my chosen candidate wins then I will obviously be in their favor", so, for example, Biden would have a "slate of delegates" pledged to him and Bernie would have a "slate of delegates" pledged to him (this is because you don't have just one delegate per electoral vote). States or the party set a threshold, a minimum vote percentage you have to have to get any delegates at all and THEN the delegates are proportioned sort of mathematically but also "by district." But again - just like with the Electoral College, there's about a 0% chance of the delegates forming a conspiracy against their own candidate and voting for "the other guy." You may get a stray delegate who got promised something but it doesn't happen en masse. In some states, the names of the delegate pledged to Candidate X are on the ballot, in others not.
 

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