The LA riots

[Tidewater]

More likely: We are living in a world where Brawndo is what plants crave.

There may be a correlation (and maybe even a causation) between stupid people voting and stupid policy.
Not sure, though.

 

[bamamc1]

Not sure I buy into this number. What it probably represents is the total travel costs, salaries, food, housing, etc., for the troops. What this doesn't count is the fact that things like salaries and food and equipment costs are spent whether the troops are back at their base and just training or are actually deployed and doing something. I'm sure it's still a big number but not $134 mil.

The "mostly peaceful George Floyd riots" produced $500 mil of damage so the $134 mil is a bargain.

 

[81usaf92]

Not sure I buy into this number. What it probably represents is the total travel costs, salaries, food, housing, etc., for the troops. What this doesn't count is the fact that things like salaries and food and equipment costs are spent whether the troops are back at their base and just training or are actually deployed and doing something. I'm sure it's still a big number but not $134 mil.

Honestly it’s just useless information to get angry at. News and politicians know if they say “this costed X millions of dollars” then the middle class and poor will freak out about it without asking “what does a typical riot response cost”.

 

[Its On A Slab]

There may be a correlation (and maybe even a causation) between stupid people voting and stupid policy.
Not sure, though.

I used to think the FF's were elitist bourgeoisie for being suspicious of direct elections.

After seeing the return of the Barnum and Bailey Circus to DC, I am starting to edge toward their opinion.

 

[Tidewater]

Fisher Ames, one of the Founders from Massachusetts, expressed it this way in 1788:

"A democracy is a volcano, which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption, and carry desolation in their way. The people always mean right; and, if time is allowed for reflection and information, they will do right. I would not have the first wish, the momentary impulse of the public mind, become law. ... On great questions, we first hear the loud clamors of passion, artifice, and faction. I consider biennial elections as a security that the sober second thought of the people shall be law."

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Like I said, The Young Turks (far left ‘news’) outlet blasted him last night by saying “he and many of these establishment democratic leaders are hoping for a George Floyd type political win with these weeks long riots, but people are tired of seeing cities burn and Newsom is only making Trump look better by putting on this front”.

It’s why I’ve kinda turned off BTC because he won’t say one thing negative about Newsom and every thing Trump does is a step towards Nazism. You cry wolf and let Rome burn and people get very turned off by it. Newsom wants to be president and his only way to do it is being the most popular progressive. I think if the Democrats ran Fetterman they would win, but as Newsom is proving… most of them are as predictable in opinions as the republicans they complain about so someone that doesn’t color in the lines will never be their nominee.

I agree with you, but need some educaton....Who or what is BTC?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

More likely: We are living in a world where Brawndo is what plants crave.

This is such a great movie and it's ironic that we've only gotten dumber since its release.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Honestly it’s just useless information to get angry at. News and politicians know if they say “this costed X millions of dollars” then the middle class and poor will freak out about it without asking “what does a typical riot response cost”.

"Ken Starr has wasted over $40 million investigating this President."

Btw - have you ever noticed the economy does better when we grease the wheels with money for investigations? Reagan had a boom in the 80s and every time we turned around there was an independent counsel being appointed (very few were guilty, though; it was politics). Same with the Clinton 90s. Not much investigating W......and the economy collapsed!!!

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Absolutely brilliant

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932527847639560418

 

[81usaf92]

I agree with you, but need some educaton....Who or what is BTC?

Brian Tyler Cohen… Basically he and Heather Cox Richardson became the go to source for “sensible” critique of the Trump presidency in 2019 but have increasingly became more and more unhinged in their interpretations of events to the point they sound like the unhinged Trumpers that they constantly complain about

His twitter

 

[JDCrimson]

Unfortunately, all the politicians understand this. Thing is Republicans dont like it and are actively working to undermine elections and float the idea of eliminating them altogether. "Just think of all the good we could do if we didnt have to deal elections and making campaign promises..."

Here's the truth: barring a major war, you are only President for ONE YEAR.

Year 1 - you're the new President and your party is compelled to go along with you.
Year 2 - your party kinda steps away from things that look like it may lose them their seats
Year 3 - the opposition almost always picks up seats and becomes rougher to deal with while if you got wiped out at the midterm, your own party is selective about vocal support
Year 4 - the election year
Year 5 - you're a lame duck but the Reps and Senators who run in Year 6 aren't so good luck
Year 6 - almost always a bad year (FDR 38/Ike 58/Reagan 86/Bush 06; Clinton took his whooping over the top in 1994, and Obama DID lose the Senate in 14 when the GOP corraled nine seats)
Year 7 - your last chance to look like an historic figure
Year 8 - your replacement is on the ballot, so you're sorta second banana at best

Yes, you can nominate SCOTUS judges, but most everything after year one is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[JDCrimson]

Again 2 things can be true at the same time...

1) Trump expanding the frontiers of executive power toward autocracy is ominous for the future of our country, and

2) Any elected person in the State of California is apparently unable to maintain the security and general welfare of its citizens and should not be elected federally expecting them to do the same.

 

[Tidewater]

Again 2 things can be true at the same time...

1) Trump expanding the frontiers of executive power toward autocracy is ominous for the future of our country, and

2) Any elected person in the State of California is apparently unable to maintain the security and general welfare of its citizens and should not be elected federally expecting them to do the same.

I do not know whether this belongs more properly in the Trump policies thread or here, but here goes:
The silver lining is that everything that is done by executive order can be undone by executive order.

 

[bamamc1]

There will be many rallies across the U.S. this weekend. Hopefully, non violent. I'm wondering what some of y'all will make of them. I will wave at ya because I will be at the one here.

Hopefully, they’ll mostly be “peaceful protests.”

 

[bamamc1]

Absolutely brilliant

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932527847639560418

I think Barry got it right.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

I do not want to be here but my family is for the most part. Florida and its political vibe is a big reason I'd like to leave. DeSantis can jump off a cliff. My reaction to his "indoctrination" rant is to laugh since I've been using that word forever, especially when talking about politics, bigotry and such. I developed those beliefs during my life in Alabama where you either fall prey to the thinking of other white people or you have to figure out why they are like that. The press is the thing influencing our take on what's happening now. It's influencing the vote, of course. I could see who still watched conservative "news" sources when some commented on being able to tell that Harris was stupid just by listening to her talk. Oh really? Just exactly what did she say that was stupid? And how in the world could anybody listen to the idiot we have in office now and see intelligence as going in his favor? The media of choice is steering how we see things and what we believe when it comes to that. Unfortunately, a lot of conservative media is steering us into a big problem. I doubt seriously that rump will be sending troops to every protest. There are far too many of them planned all across the U.S. Just let a photo journalist get a pic of some uniformed dude aiming a gun or throwing tear gas at me with my rolling walker, gray hair and a sign. Conservative media would never show you that. They will show you pics such as the ones some of you are posting right now. Do you even see what you are posting? Do you question whether or not that's being done by trouble makers or people who sincerely want to keep immigrants and non-immigrant brown skinned people safe. Do you know how many peaceful protesters are there? Do you know there was music an choreographed dancing? Or do you want so badly to believe that these are all dangerous fanatics out there? Protests I have participated in against this creep and his antics have been peaceful. I've been in a few and even when yahoo rumpies tried to start something, we just ignored them. Creepboy is capitalizing on whatever he can.

Best post if the thread and so on point. MAGA wants so badly to believe that brown people are the enemy that they will believe anything Dictator Trump spews.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I do not know whether this belongs more properly in the Trump policies thread or here, but here goes:
The silver lining is that everything that is done by executive order can be undone by executive order.

Cal Thomas brought this up in "Blinded By Might," pointing out that the hour Bill Clinton took office, he rescinded Bush's executive order forbidding the discussion of abortion in federal clinics. Thomas noted that the only thing the 'right to life' movement had accomplished in 12 years was undone by the stroke of a pen.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I had no problem with W sending in the Marines, in the King matter, which was much more widely spread and violent than these. But, he sent them in with clear ROE and they fulfilled that role and stayed out of LEO's way. When I first heard of his grandstanding in sending in a Marine detachment, the first thought I had was "To do what?" Who wrote their orders? Trump? Miller? Hegseth?

Along these same lines and apropos of TW's remarks that the Guard should at least have some training in backing up local LEO, there was an incident outlined on NPR this AM. I didn't catch the beginning, but I assumed it must have happened back during the King riots, since that was the last time I could think of the Marines being called in. Anyway, the Marines were backing up a LEO SWAT unit moving in on a house. The chief LEO ask the Marine commander to "cover us." The Marines immediately started laying down a lead curtain of suppressive fire. The LEO screamed "Stop!" and asked the Marine what he was doing. The Marine replied that, in his lingo, that's what "cover us" meant...

 

[UAH]

Coming to a city near you:

Seeing reports that ICE has Special Response Teams on stand by for New York City, Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia and Northern Virginia.

It is likely to be a long hot summer and we will have much to discuss on Tidefans.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Unfortunately, all the politicians understand this. Thing is Republicans dont like it and are actively working to undermine elections and float the idea of eliminating them altogether. "Just think of all the good we could do if we didnt have to deal elections and making campaign promises..."

The only exception is FDR, and his situation was unique because of how many votes he could lose in either the House (334-88) or the Senate (75-17) and still pass whatever he wanted. He passed Social Security in his third year and then clobbered Alf Landon (Kansas Senator Nancy Kassebaum's father) in 1936.