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Could someone please clear this up for me?
How did ICE select individuals to apprehend? Were they just riding around, seeing brown people, and saying to themselves, "Let's grab that guy and if he is legal, we let him go." Is that how this started? Or did they have warrants for individuals?
The reason I ask is I head a Congresswoman say ICE had no warrants, they were just grabbing people off the street. It could be true (unconstitutional , but it could be true), but just because a Congress critter says something does not make it true.
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Good segment from last night:

Are the protests happening across the United States over ICE raids really about immigration issues? Chris Cuomo doesn't think that's the full story. Instead, he suggests they're a coordinated effort to recruit as many people and different types of groups with different ideas, but one common goal — to destroy the country. Cuomo says the protests are fed by dark sources with a desire for the destruction of the U.S. He dives into how deep the backing for these protests go and potential ties to a Chinese communist group.

 
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This is a terrible look for these morons blocking streets. Thank God I live in Florida where these people would be dragged off the road by their toes. You want to know why Trump is president. These two goofs are a prime example of why people looked at the Dems and said, "nah". Click the link to see the lack of self awareness.

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Good segment from last night:

Are the protests happening across the United States over ICE raids really about immigration issues? Chris Cuomo doesn't think that's the full story. Instead, he suggests they're a coordinated effort to recruit as many people and different types of groups with different ideas, but one common goal — to destroy the country. Cuomo says the protests are fed by dark sources with a desire for the destruction of the U.S. He dives into how deep the backing for these protests go and potential ties to a Chinese communist group.

it's the uni-cause. It all blends together from the free palestine folks, to the hardcore socialists, to the open borders crowd, BLM, and all the other causes. It's one big group that in the end wants to uproot Western Civilization.
 

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Could someone please clear this up for me?
How did ICE select individuals to apprehend? Were they just riding around, seeing brown people, and saying to themselves, "Let's grab that guy and if he is legal, we let him go." Is that how this started? Or did they have warrants for individuals?
The reason I ask is I head a Congresswoman say ICE had no warrants, they were just grabbing people off the street. It could be true (unconstitutional , but it could be true), but just because a Congress critter says something does not make it true.
Any help?
According to Tom Homan, they are targeting those with orders of deportation but they are also enforcing immigration law in the process, so if they raid a home or business for a person or persons and come across other illegal(s), they cart them away as well.
 
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No proof but I think there is some element of thst going on. If there are quotas/incentives as has been alluded to then you open the door to this type behavior along with public comments about suspending habeas corpus. These are KGB type tactics.

Could someone please clear this up for me?
How did ICE select individuals to apprehend? Were they just riding around, seeing brown people, and saying to themselves, "Let's grab that guy and if he is legal, we let him go." Is that how this started? Or did they have warrants for individuals?
The reason I ask is I head a Congresswoman say ICE had no warrants, they were just grabbing people off the street. It could be true (unconstitutional , but it could be true), but just because a Congress critter says something does not make it true.
Any help?
 

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According to Tom Homan, they are targeting those with orders of deportation but they are also enforcing immigration law in the process, so if they raid a home or business for a person or persons and come across other illegal(s), they cart them away as well.
That's what Homan said they would do from the beginning. I watched him say that in multiple interviews.
 
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According to Tom Homan, they are targeting those with orders of deportation but they are also enforcing immigration law in the process, so if they raid a home or business for a person or persons and come across other illegal(s), they cart them away as well.
Thanks.
I wonder how they know that the incidental arrestees are illegal.
ICE shows up at 221B Baker Street to arrest Juan Valdez. Jorge Jimenez is hanging out with Juan in Juan's living room. They ask Jorge what his immigration status is and he says "I don't know."
Now what?
 

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No proof but I think there is some element of thst going on. If there are quotas/incentives as has been alluded to then you open the door to this type behavior along with public comments about suspending habeas corpus. These are KGB type tactics.
Thanks.
Or Vichy French police tactics: "Round up the usual suspects."
That, however, is a very important question to judge the legitimacy of the protests (even if we all condemn the rioting). If the protests are "Do not indiscriminately arrest brown people because you suspect (without any verification) that they are illegal immigrants," then I agree with the protests.
If they gist of the protest is "Do not enforce US immigration law at all, at least not around here," then the protests themselves are illegitimate. Not unconstitutional, mind you (people engage in stupid protests and protest things that are not even happening all the time), but illegitimate. I would think journalists would want very badly to get to the bottom of that question.
I realize the burning cars sell newspapers, but the truth seems almost incidental these days.
 

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I don't mean this to stereotype but has there ever been an American billionaire who wasn't at least a tad bit nutty? And I don't just mean "views everything through the business prism," I mean absolute flakes to a point.

Look at how many billionaire sports team owners insert themselves into the process thinking "well, I'm a billionaire, so I understand sports", and they (more often than not) wreck the team. But you'll see this in every walk of life, too. Ross Perot, for example, notoriously made up stories that turned him into a standup, brave guy (his employees would call his tendency to tall tales "Rossing," where he'd make up a preposterous story about something he did, which his confidantes knew was going to blow him up once the news media figured him out). Vince McMahon clearly has pathological issues as to Ted Turner, Trump (and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt since he alone is the source of his claim to be a billionaire; most billionaires on the record consider him "a clown living on credit"), Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Dan Snyder, etc.

They're all just a bit nuts.
That is why I am broke. I am too sane.
 

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They tried tell us it was really Antifa masquerading as Trumpers on J6. If it was then why did all those intruders get pardoned?

We now live in era where you can't believe anything you see much less hear. There may be provacateurs starting these protests. ICE may be snatching shill immigrants in a catch and release ruse? If it doesn't make sense why certain groups of people would be protesting then it's probably wise to question what you see.

I know its conspiratorial but you cant rule out such tactics with the Trump administration who embraces such tactics and gaslighting.

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Or Vichy French police tactics: "Round up the usual suspects."
That, however, is a very important question to judge the legitimacy of the protests (even if we all condemn the rioting). If the protests are "Do not indiscriminately arrest brown people because you suspect (without any verification) that they are illegal immigrants," then I agree with the protests.
If they gist of the protest is "Do not enforce US immigration law at all, at least not around here," then the protests themselves are illegitimate. Not unconstitutional, mind you (people engage in stupid protest and things that are not even happening all the time), but illegitimate. I would think journalists would want very badly to get to the bottom of that question.
I realize the burning cars sell newspapers, but the truth seems almost incidental these days.
 

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I don't mean this to stereotype but has there ever been an American billionaire who wasn't at least a tad bit nutty? And I don't just mean "views everything through the business prism," I mean absolute flakes to a point.

Look at how many billionaire sports team owners insert themselves into the process thinking "well, I'm a billionaire, so I understand sports", and they (more often than not) wreck the team. But you'll see this in every walk of life, too. Ross Perot, for example, notoriously made up stories that turned him into a standup, brave guy (his employees would call his tendency to tall tales "Rossing," where he'd make up a preposterous story about something he did, which his confidantes knew was going to blow him up once the news media figured him out). Vince McMahon clearly has pathological issues as to Ted Turner, Trump (and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt since he alone is the source of his claim to be a billionaire; most billionaires on the record consider him "a clown living on credit"), Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, Dan Snyder, etc.

They're all just a bit nuts.
When I was in my mid-20s, I was trying to get myself established in the burgeoning computer programming field. I had heard all the heroic stories of Ross Perot, and figured I'd jump on board as a trainee with Electronic Data Systems in Montgomery, AL.

Probably the worst job I ever had. I didn't sling a line of code. But I did busywork clerk stuff, unloaded trucks in the hot sun. They made us wear suit-and-tie, even when unloading trucks in the July heat.

Every manager had a photo of Ross on his/her wall. It was like the deification of Stalin and Mao. Everything we heard at meetings was prefaced with, "Well, Ross says...".

I was working almost 7 days a week there, 12 hour days. When I finally walked off the job, the next morning, it was like I was on vacation. No income, no health insurance, but I didn't have to go back to that infernal place.

The Alabama office processed Medicaid claims for Uncle Sam. I later learned that Ross made it his schtick to vastly underbid other companies, then work the blankety-blank out of the staff to make up for the lack of funding. Which was why we unloaded trucks and moved furniture and cubicles instead of hiring some company to do it.

I thought we missed a bullet when he lost the presidential race. But then another con-artist billionaire gained traction in the ignorant voters' interest. And we're living again with the fraud, grift and malevolence.
 
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They tried tell us it was really Antifa masquerading as Trumpers on J6. If it was then why did all those intruders get pardoned?

We now live in era where you can't believe anything you see much less hear. There may be provacateurs starting these protests. ICE may be snatching shill immigrants in a catch and release ruse? If it doesn't make sense why certain groups of people would be protesting then it's probably wise to question what you see.

I know its conspiratorial but you cant rule out such tactics with the Trump administration who embraces such tactics and gaslighting.
Interesting theory. So ICE arrested Hispanic people who were actually informants/employees and then, once out of sight, released them? Not sure justifying the deployment of the National Guard/Marines is worth it. Making Gavin Newsom and Bass look soft on crime might help Trump, but Newsom and Bass could undermine that objective by just enforcing the law. That would steal Trump's thunder.

On the other hand, it would not surprise me if the Russians or Chinese were helping the rioters get started behind the scenes. Spend a little bit of money: tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars and inflict tens of millions of dollars of damage on the US. Sound investment. The Russians have done stuff like that in the recent past already.
 
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