Thoughts on QB situation after Game 5?

[CB4]

I think we're dead this year, and it's only a matter of time.

You can win with a game manager who doesn't screw up a lot (Bennett, Cardale Jones, AJ, Greg)
You can win with a quarterback who knows what he's doing (Mac, Burrow, Sunshine, Tua, Watson, Rapist Winston, Cam, Tebow)

The KEY is that the first kind ONLY works if the QB doesn't screw up.

Jalen Hurts's biggest flaw was he was afraid to throw the ball when he should.
Jalen Milroe's biggest flaw is he's NOT afraid to throw the ball when he SHOULDN'T.

How in the Hell did Alabama of all teams get in this kind of predicament?
Four QBs on a roster and not one that the fans can really trust.

How is that even possible?


And spare me the Eeyore nonsense, folks.

I haven't been this resigned to a non-championship year since 2007.

And I HOPE - hope - I'm wrong.

You clearly have an “agenda”……

 

[crimsonaudio]

Bah, you're an amateur when it comes to lack of brevity.

Ironic that this post is only about 1% of your typical output...

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Ironic that this post is only about 1% of your typical output...

1% seems generous...

 

[Saban4Ever]

I will likely sit out the game thread because of my frustration with the issues you cite.

It's not we CAN'T win, but this game will unquestionably come down to execution.

They'll be at home.
They've "got it" for us.
They have to beat the man to (maybe) be the man.
They're back to second class citizens in their own state now with Sark doing well.
We have a quarterback whose field vision rivals General Custer
Our O-line will HAVE to come up big

This is only the second time we're playing the Ags that I don't feel pretty good about it.
Of course, we won the last one by a close 59-point escape, too.

I'm glad we don't have to play them next season. Their D line will be even better.

 

[gtgilbert]

Let me just say generally speaking, I don't see a way around the guy being Milroe right now. Saban actually took a huge risk giving serious playing time to the other two QBs but it was about as much as he could do without throwing the season away to try to see if someone else would emerge. They didn't, so now he has to roll the dice on Milroe.

Having said that, if Alabama loses to A&M then everything changes because the playoff is not going to happen and from that point any other loss means a heck of a lot less. I mean a loss now means no championship, a third loss means? A worse bowl game probably? It just doesn't carry the same weight so I don't care as much what would happen after that and I'm not sure Saban does either, he could take more risks. It's one of the great limitation he has at Alabama, almost every game a championship is on the line so certain things he just can't do even if he wants to.

Anyway, as to the intermediate passing stuff, I thought this was interesting (and does show some hope): https://alabama.rivals.com/news/gif-breakdown-a-look-at-jalen-milroe-s-improved-intermediate-passing

here's the thing about those 4 plays though. Only one of them (the third) was it potentially the right read on schedule (I say potentially because we can't see some of the WRs enough to tell). On the other 3 of them, a WR was open way earlier, as they should have been, and JM didn't make the read/pass when it was clearly there by design so he's moving up and around in the pocket when he shouldn't. That can work against MSU, but against many of the other defenses on our schedule, he's got to get that ball out faster to the guy who is open first.

 

[Tidewater]

Speaking of holding on to the ball ….. Tua had that habit and if I remember correctly it was the Mississippi State game that ended with him getting his hip crushed because he held on to the ball too long !!!!! I may be mistaken but He really shouldn’t have even been in the game at that point . And like someone already pointed out Bryce had a habit of holding on to the ball
and that led to his injury last year . Ya know, I’m certainly no expert but I’m rooting for Jalen …. If Coach has faith in him then who and I to second guess his decision . I really do believe the young man has potential ….. to bad we are having to watch it unfold as the season progresses ….. hell it could be worse , he could be going backwards but I think he’s been moving forward and I pray he continues to improve !!! Roll Tide !

In Tua's case, I do not believe it was a function of not knowing where to go with the ball. I believe he approached every play as if he could score a TD if he wanted it badly enough, if the receiver would give him a small window to throw it into.
In Milroe's case, I think he is not sure where to go with the ball.
If I were his coach, I would roll him out (left or right) tell him to read one receiver, and if he is not open, commit to the run and take off with the ball.
Milroe is crazy fast and he decent moves for his size and speed.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Bah, you're an amateur when it comes to lack of brevity.

Yeah.

Hold mah beer and y'all watch 'is......

 

[CoolBreeze]

You know, I think our perceived vulnerability may be our strength in this game. Usually, we go to 8&4 with a top five ranking and favored by double digits. We are still Alabama but I get the impression that our guys know they need to be dialed in 100% to come out on top in this game. Not exactly sure what to expect but this game is not going to be for the faint of heart if you are a member of either fanbase.

 

[Cruloc]

You know, I think our perceived vulnerability may be our strength in this game. Usually, we go to 8&4 with a top five ranking and favored by double digits. We are still Alabama but I get the impression that our guys know they need to be dialed in 100% to come out on top in this game. Not exactly sure what to expect but this game is not going to be for the faint of heart if you are a member of either fanbase.

So we have them right where they want us. Yes.

 

[CoolBreeze]

So we have them right where they want us. Yes.

Best interpretation I have seen, yes.

 

[AWRTR]

In Tua's case, I do not believe it was a function of not knowing where to go with the ball. I believe he approached every play as if he could score a TD is he wanted it badly enough, if the receiver would give him a small window to throw it into.
In Milroe's case, I think he is not sure where to go with the ball.
If I were his coach, I would roll him out (left or right) tell him to read one receiver, and if he is not open, commit to the run and take off with the ball.
Milroe is crazy fast and he decent moves for his size and speed.

Rolling him out also makes his reads easier. He’s only concerned with half the field. You could give him two guys running at different depths in front of him as he rolls and if he doesn’t like it just run.

 

[CB4]

Rolling him out also makes his reads easier. He’s only concerned with half the field. You could give him two guys running at different depths in front of him as he rolls and if he doesn’t like it just run.

I agree with getting him on the move. But JM simply cannot throw back “late” over the middle. He did it a couple times against MSU and got away with. Against better defenses that will turn into an interception real quick.

 

[CB4]

here's the thing about those 4 plays though. Only one of them (the third) was it potentially the right read on schedule (I say potentially because we can't see some of the WRs enough to tell). On the other 3 of them, a WR was open way earlier, as they should have been, and JM didn't make the read/pass when it was clearly there by design so he's moving up and around in the pocket when he shouldn't. That can work against MSU, but against many of the other defenses on our schedule, he's got to get that ball out faster to the guy who is open first.

The 4th pass in that gif series is a pass that is begging to be intercepted. Cardinal rule is never throw “late” across the field like that.

 

[bamamc1]

If the team "picked Milroe" over the coach, it's time for a new head coach.

Think about what you just said. Who in the hell are we going to replace the head coach with that is better than CNS?” That post is the most ridiculous post on this board ever. Terry Saban did not attend the game at MSU last Saturday night. All of you coaching gurus hot taking on this better hope to God we’ve got one waiting in the wings that’s better than the one we have. I will support the players and coaches that are in that program. We need to get a dose of Fran to shut everyone up. GOOD GOD.

 

[AWRTR]

I agree with getting him on the move. But JM simply cannot throw back “late” over the middle. He did it a couple times against MSU and got away with. Against better defenses that will turn into an interception real quick.

Well that wouldn’t be part of the plan. You roll him out and have guys coming coming from the other side of the field to the side where he is or usenplayers already on the side he’s rolling too. Don’t even give him that as a read.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I'm more concerned with the OL, bad snaps, and blocking issues with the TEs and RBs.

 

[81usaf92]

I think we're dead this year, and it's only a matter of time.

You can win with a game manager who doesn't screw up a lot (Bennett, Cardale Jones, AJ, Greg)
You can win with a quarterback who knows what he's doing (Mac, Burrow, Sunshine, Tua, Watson, Rapist Winston, Cam, Tebow)

The KEY is that the first kind ONLY works if the QB doesn't screw up.

Jalen Hurts's biggest flaw was he was afraid to throw the ball when he should.
Jalen Milroe's biggest flaw is he's NOT afraid to throw the ball when he SHOULDN'T.

How in the Hell did Alabama of all teams get in this kind of predicament?
Four QBs on a roster and not one that the fans can really trust.

How is that even possible?


And spare me the Eeyore nonsense, folks.

I haven't been this resigned to a non-championship year since 2007.

And I HOPE - hope - I'm wrong.

Honestly… I won’t feel very good until we get to LSU without another loss. These next 3 weeks are going to be tough and I think they will tell us if there is something in the cards or not. I don’t think we are progressing fast enough at the moment on offense to feel really good about it. The 95 Nebraska and 92 Alabama teams don’t win anymore. You have to be able to win some sort of shootout game. I think the the biggest takeaway from the Ole Miss vs LSU game was not that our defense held that offense to 10 but rather that we struggled to score 24 on that defense.

How in the Hell did Alabama of all teams get in this kind of predicament?
Four QBs on a roster and not one that the fans can really trust.

How is that even possible?

Alot of it is that we banked on Simpson being the guy in the spring and spurned guys like Van Dyke and the NC Qb who were demanding bigger payouts prior to spring to come because we thought we had something. Simpson didn’t pan out and both quarterbacks had awful springs and we brought in Buchner out of desperation.

I think next year will be better as far as quarterbacks and the OC being comfortable with the guy that is the Qb. I just don’t think any of the 3 guys that started this year will be on the roster with Sayin coming in and the commitment that we have to Lonergan and Holstein.

I haven't been this resigned to a non-championship year since 2007.

And I HOPE - hope - I'm wrong.

I know a lot of people compare the Blake Sims situation with the Milroe situation but they couldn’t really be more different. Sims was Kiffin’s guy from the start and was very familiar with his talents. Sims was further ahead as a quarterback than Milroe. Milroe and Rees are still trying to figure each other out and I’m just not sure that they are going to get it fixed in time.

There is hope, but there would be way more of it had we not threw away the game vs Texas earlier in the year.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

When I stop yelling at my TV "THROW THE BALL AWAY!", I will feel better about the QB siuation.

AMEN...

 

[rtr90]

Honestly… I won’t feel very good until we get to LSU without another loss. These next 3 weeks are going to be tough and I think they will tell us if there is something in the cards or not. I don’t think we are progressing fast enough at the moment on offense to feel really good about it. The 95 Nebraska and 92 Alabama teams don’t win anymore. You have to be able to win some sort of shootout game. I think the the biggest takeaway from the Ole Miss vs LSU game was not that our defense held that offense to 10 but rather that we struggled to score 24 on that defense.



Alot of it is that we banked on Simpson being the guy in the spring and spurned guys like Van Dyke and the NC Qb who were demanding bigger payouts prior to spring to come because we thought we had something. Simpson didn’t pan out and both quarterbacks had awful springs and we brought in Buchner out of desperation.

I think next year will be better as far as quarterbacks and the OC being comfortable with the guy that is the Qb. I just don’t think any of the 3 guys that started this year will be on the roster with Sayin coming in and the commitment that we have to Lonergan and Holstein.




I know a lot of people compare the Blake Sims situation with the Milroe situation but they couldn’t really be more different. Sims was Kiffin’s guy from the start and was very familiar with his talents. Sims was further ahead as a quarterback than Milroe. Milroe and Rees are still trying to figure each other out and I’m just not sure that they are going to get it fixed in time.

There is hope, but there would be way more of it had we not threw away the game vs Texas earlier in the year.

Sims had Cooper and everyone knew ball was going to him and couldnt stop due to ingenuity of Kiffin. That is best one on Kiffin's resume

 

[Coach D]

For everyone saying to roll him out just know that it makes it much easier for the defense to defend. It takes away half the field. That’s what hurt Hurts his freshman year too.