Time to un-vacate 2005-2007 on field victories and un-forfeit the 1993 season?

[December05]

That’s the first thing I thought, but from all I’ve read, this appears to be the Heisman Trust’s unilateral decision.

I look at it this way; if a prisoner is convicted and sentenced based on the guidelines of the time, that can’t be amended if the sentencing guidelines are amended at some future time to be stricter/more lenient. That’s fair, even though some of our forfeitures and vacations were complete BS.

I always just looked at it as the NCAA’s way to water our results down and keep perception that other dying blue bloods could maintain a sense of superiority.

 

[HighlandOak]

If you broke the rules in the past, you should get whatever punishment was appropriate.

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

…Does anywhere outside the "official" NC2A record book actually count vacated wins as losses?

That’s not how vacating wins works. It’s actually as if the game never occurred. We don’t get a loss, and the opponent doesn’t get a win…

 

[edwd58]

I never stopped counting those wins. Our boys fought and bled for those wins and won them on the field. Notice the scores have always stood, the victories just weren't added to the Win column. The University should update their records and dare the NCAA to say anything... then, should the NCAA find the nerve, threaten to sue them - like everyone else does.

 

[HighlandOak]

Just let it go, folks.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Probably some other schools( Aubarn) had players graduate that couldn't read books .

THAT is a fact!

 

[CajunCrimson]

Let’s face it…. Bush got his Heisman back for one reason. OJ died. That’s it. If OJ is still breathing Bush is still waiting.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Just let it go, folks.

 

[Joefus]

And weren't those wins forfeited because players were selling their books back to the book store...books that were provided to them as part of their scholarship?

What a horrendously egregious thing for them to do.

Close, the players got the books for free and were selling them at a heavy discount to regular students. The only reason it got us in so much hot water was bc of the basketball probation. Which never made sense to me how that matters with football but whatever. We should’ve never lost those wins after the players paid back the money. The whole thing was dumber than a sack of hammers

 

[GP for Bama]

It is time. The randomness of NCAA penalties is what drove people crazy.
Actual history is history.

 

[bvandegraff]

That’s not how vacating wins works. It’s actually as if the game never occurred. We don’t get a loss, and the opponent doesn’t get a win…

Thanks for the correction. The question, however, remains - does anyone outside the NCAA offices even bother to acknowledge vacated wins when discussing records?