Too Much on the QB? DeBoer’s One-Dimensional Offense Problem

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My concern from the start about DeBoer never really had anything to do with his coaching ability. It had to do with compatibility. Can a west coast finesse approach translate to the SEC? I felt it was a potential mismatch, in terms of Alabama's talent and in terms of Alabama's competition. There's no doubt DeBoer could have a lot of success in the Pac-12, he did. He could do well in the Big 12 as well I'm sure. But, there is the question of can his style offense perform at a championship level within the SEC? To me the answer is a bit muddy, in part because he's doing it with an absolutely loaded team: https://247sports.com/season/2025-football/collegeteamtalentcomposite/

Will he encounter more success once he adapts the team more to his approach, or will it gradually stray from being able to compete at a top level in the SEC? I think the answer is that he can succeed, but he probably needs to adapt more to the SEC than the roster needs to adapt to him. This might sound like I'm trying to throw him under the bus, but in fact part of what I'm doing is trying to defend people like Grubb and Ty, who are trying to run DeBoer's system, and I think under enormous strain in doing so. For the record, I don't think Grubb or DeBoer needs to be fired, but I'm going to delve into the areas that I think they need to adapt.

Let's get Grubb out of the way. I said before he was hired what the offense would look like, and it's not really Grubb's doing, it's DeBoer's doing. DeBoer consistently uses the running backs around 35% of the time (even with Sheridan as OC). It varies slightly, on the broadcast they said they pass 70% of the time, that's not quite accurate, but it would be pretty accurate to say his offenses rely on the quarterback about two thirds of the time. I posted this stat prior to the season, it applies to this season, it's a tendency he has yet to break. As far as Grubb goes, while he's a disciple of DeBoer, he's not actually as rigid in his approach. For instance the year before DeBoer was the head coach at Fresno State (he retained Grubb), Grubb actually broke these tendencies. Fresno St. was hardly a great running team, but they were ranked 69th in rushing and averaged 4.9 per rush, with a nearly even run/pass average. The following year, with the same lead rusher, those numbers/ranks fell to the 108th ranked rushing team and an average of 3.4 per rush. That's the DeBoer effect, not the Grubb effect.

So, how does this look over the course of his career as a head coach?

2019: 69 rank, 4.9 avg (Grubb as OC before DeBoer was coach): Fresno State
2020: 108, 3.4: Fresno State
2021: 91, 4.1: Fresno State
2022: 69, 4.7: Washington
2023: 108, 4.3 (second leading rusher was a receiver): Washington
2024: 47, 4.6 (leading rusher was a quarterback): Alabama
2025 103, 3.7: Alabama


A few take aways, last years numbers were heavily skewed due to Milroe's running numbers. Those are generally scrambles though, not indicative of a "running game" in the traditional sense. This masked the low running back use and otherwise lack of a running game. The other thing to note is the downward trend.

You might not care about how the offense gets their yards, and that's relatable, but I am of the opinion this system relies too much on the QB and in doing so puts too much pressure on the QB. I'm not saying Milroe was a great QB, but I think this system did more to expose his flaws than a team that could run the ball effectively would for instance. Likewise, I believe Ty is being put in an extremely difficult position, playing teams that don't have to respect the run and he often has to try to do too much.

This system is not without it's advantages though. By relying heavily on the QB, I think you can limit the amount of things an offense has to do well in order to win. In doing this, it can raise the floor of the offense. The issue it it also ultimately lowers the ceiling. It asks so much of the quarterback, that it creates a fatal flaw. You stop the QB, affect him, you have a very high chance of success. These teams are just not built to win any other way.

This gets into the question I posed when DeBoer was hired. What is he like without Penix? Penix was a 5th and 6th year senior when he played for DeBoer at Washington, he was also a first round draft pick who has started several games in the NFL. This can't be your expected level of quarterback talent/experience. Here are the splits:

DeBoer with Penix: 25-3
DeBoer without Penix: 31-13 (Haener, Milroe, Simpson)

That's a 89% winning percentage vs a 70% winning percentage.


That's pretty noticeable. Mind you, 70% isn't that bad. True, but Brian Kelly had a 70% winning percentage at LSU and he got fired.

It's not just wins and losses though,the offense was ranked 10th on average with Penix, but only 27th without him. DeBoer wasn't hired to have the 27th ranked offense (Alabama is 26th this year, so in keeping with the trend).

I don't think Ty is the real problem here, I don't think Grubb is the real problem here, I think the system has a really serious flaw built into it. The good news though is that it can be changed. Some adjustments to the staff, some changes in approach, I think they can address the issues by bringing in people that know how to develop and utilize a more balanced offense. Part of what we saw in SECCG was the fish out of water approach of a system that never runs the ball well still trying to run the ball against a team playing the pass.

If real meaningful changes are made, if this issue is addressed I think there's a lot of potential here. The defense is performing well, it's outperformed the offense the past two seasons, which is surprisingly given he was hired as an offensive guru. The passing game to me isn't really the issue either. They just need to bring in the expertise to fix the running game, and I am making the unequivocal argument that it's not really a talent issue, it's a system issue that follows DeBoer. The system can adapt and I for one hope it does.
 
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I dont think its dawned on Deboer yet that you have to win BOTH lines of scrimmage to win consistently in the SEC...an OL that can give you time and run block, and a DL to get to the QB and stop the run...our DL has been ok but for two seasons our OL has been a complete mess
 
I get what you're saying... long story short, its a watered down version of what CNO has offensively with the basketball program. When they are hitting 3s ... they are the best team in the country, BUT when they are off ... we may be up for some painful results.
It’s such a novel idea that coaches look better with a competent quarterback.

the offensive line is atrocious, if they were even below average this season is much different.
 
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I dont think its dawned on Deboer yet that you have to win BOTH lines of scrimmage to win consistently in the SEC...an OL that can give you time and run block, and a DL to get to the QB and stop the run...our DL has been ok but for two seasons our OL has been a complete mess
THIS ... ironically this was the main thing Saban preached and sought to do because he realized we could never be a championship program without winning the trenches.

Hopefully CDK will figure this out soon.
 
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The problem I have with being so dependent on the qb is that injuries happen. If we have a true Heisman contender at qb and he goes down with an injury, DeBoer just throws his hands in the air and concedes the rest of the season? From what we’ve seen of him so far that unfortunately seems to be the case since there’s been no plan B either year.
 
It's a key question and the answer is either it doesn't work in the SEC or we don't have the right players to make it work. Unfortunately I think it's going to take another season or two to get the answer.
 
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Is it the system he is running or the talent? Jam Miller is 3rd or 4th string running back on the teams most years under Saban. He is more of a third down back that can catch it out of the backfield than an SEC type running back you can give the ball to 25 times a game. The 2017 team had Damien Harris, Najee Harris, Josh Jacob’s, Brian Robinson all in the backfield. Everyone of our guys is 5th string that year. The o-line has been subpar the last 4 or so years as well even before Kalen got here. That was the strength of the teams in the glory years but it was bad last 2 years under Saban and that has continued.
 
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I get what you're saying... long story short, its a watered down version of what CNO has offensively with the basketball program. When they are hitting 3s ... they are the best team in the country, BUT when they are off ... we may be up for some painful results.
I think that's a somewhat fair comparison, but of course the expectations are different. if Alabama basketball goes deep into the tournament, we're all really happy. If Alabama football isn't at that level, we're all pretty unhappy. So Oats has an easier job of pleasing the fans.

But, it's also the way this ends up falling on one player's shoulders. A more direct comparison would be like if Oats system involved a single shooter taking 60% of the shots. If that shooter was lights out, Alabama would look pretty good, but sooner or later other teams just start double and triple teaming that guy and forcing Alabama to find another way to score.

Is it the system he is running or the talent? Jam Miller is 3rd or 4th string running back on the teams most years under Saban. He is more of a third down back that can catch it out of the backfield than an SEC type running back you can give the ball to 25 times a game. The o-line has been subpar the last 4 or so years as well even before Kalen got here. That was the strength of the teams in the glory years but it was bad last 2 years under Saban and that has continued.
There's a reason I posted historical trends. He's had 6 years at three stops. It hasn't always been a talent issue.

Also, let's look at Justice Haynes:
2024 Alabama: 448 yards, 5.7 avg
2025 Michigan: 857 yards, 7.1 avg (injured, out for the year)

I predicted he would do well at Michigan by the way. Why the disparity?
 
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Is it the system he is running or the talent? Jam Miller is 3rd or 4th string running back on the teams most years under Saban. He is more of a third down back that can catch it out of the backfield than an SEC type running back you can give the ball to 25 times a game. The o-line has been subpar the last 4 or so years as well even before Kalen got here. That was the strength of the teams in the glory years but it was bad last 2 years under Saban and that has continued.
Good point...we didnt seem to have home run hitters at RB or WR this year....or at least it seemed so. We are used to short passes going to the house or runs of significant distance...cant recall any really this year
 
I think that's a somewhat fair comparison, but of course the expectations are different. if Alabama basketball goes deep into the tournament, we're all really happy. If Alabama football isn't at that level, we're all pretty unhappy. So Oats has an easier job of pleasing the fans.

But, it's also the way this ends up falling on one player's shoulders. A more direct comparison would be like if Oats system involved a single shooter taking 60% of the shots. If that shooter was lights out, Alabama would look pretty good, but sooner or later other teams just start double and triple teaming that guy and forcing Alabama to find another way to score.


There's a reason I posted historical trends. He's had 6 years at three stops. It hasn't always been a talent issue.

Also, let's look at Justice Haynes:
2024 Alabama: 448 yards, 5.7 avg
2025 Michigan: 857 yards, 7.1 avg (injured, out for the year)

I predicted he would do well at Michigan by the way. Why the disparity?
The offensive line is needing improvement.
 
The offensive line is needing improvement.
On this we can agree, but one can argue DeBoer's offensive line has always needed improvement when it came to running the ball. The best second year numbers he's mustered are 4.3 per rush, that was still only good for the 63rd ranked YPC.

So, if we both agree that there's an issue there, then I think we can agree the solution is outside help. I think that's what's needed here. He needs to upgrade his system for the SEC and there are coaches out there that can do that.
 
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On this we can agree, but one can argue DeBoer's offensive line has always needed improvement when it came to running the ball. The best second year numbers he's mustered are 4.3 per rush, that was still only good for the 63rd ranked YPC.

So, if we both agree that there's an issue there, then I think we can agree the solution is outside help. I think that's what's needed here. He needs to upgrade his system for the SEC and there are coaches out there that can do that.
I think if this year’s team averaged 4.2 we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
 
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Good analysis
I have to disagree on Grubb. He is the play caller and does a poor job of taking what the defense gives him. I think he is awful.
We lack mental and physical toughness.
I really like DeBoer as a leader but there are large red flags in the program. Womack is the bright spot.
If we are having the same conversation this time next year, then you have your answer.
 
I think if this year’s team averaged 4.2 we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
Well, I would because I said the same things last year when it averaged 4.6. You were quite critical of Haynes when he averaged 5.7. So I think we can both agree that the standard for play isn't 4 YPC, but true efficacy in the running game. Which would in my opinion be at least a top 50 rushing offense (which is from my historical analysis around the cutoff point for championship contention). The issue is just more pronounced this year, but it was 3.4 at Fresno State. it's not exactly breaking new ground for DeBoer.
 
Also, let's look at Justice Haynes:
2024 Alabama: 448 yards, 5.7 avg
2025 Michigan: 857 yards, 7.1 avg (injured, out for the year)

I predicted he would do well at Michigan by the way. Why the disparity?

Haynes is very talented running back probably more than Miller but he was injured much of last year. Michigan also runs the ball about 60% of the time and has a quarterback that is basically a runner.
 
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I am still surprised at the OL. That is the one area we must improve greatly.

And we need better running backs.

With merely an above average OL and two solid SEC backs this team would challenge for a natty. We have nothing good at those two positions.
Our oline is horrible, utterly horrible. An offensive philosophy doesn't produce this bad of an OL. Bad talent and/or bad coaching does. I dont know if our rbs are average, good or bad because the OL sucks so bad.
 
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