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Urban Meyer thread 2.0...

AlexanderFan said:
Meyer gives him the muck by the truckload.
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McMurphy be like:

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A scandal of domestic abuse wouldn't be a scandal without Christine Brennan writing about it....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...football-coaches-and-human-beings/1001387002/


However - in her Urban will never anything but a villain....I'm reminded of her role in the Duke lacrosse scandal...

https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/2006-03-29-duke-lacrosse_x.htm


(Men, you're presumed guilty with this "impartial journalist").



My bologna has a first name, it's O-S-C-A-R.....
 
B1GTide said:
This is the guy who pretends to support abused women.

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Doesn't change Meyer's history. Doesn't change the fact that the only reason Smith got fired was because somebody outside the athletic department found out and he had to be fired.


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I do not care what happens to Meyer - keep him, suspend him, fire him, whatever. I'm glad he's not our problem, glad I'm not having to find some means of defending/supporting him, and shaking my head over the OSU fans that will rejoice if/when OSU keeps him.
 
(Men, you're presumed guilty with this "impartial journalist").

Selma, you just described most of the media and most people. Good job, that is called hitting the nail on the head.
 
AlexanderFan said:
Doesn't change Meyer's history. Doesn't change the fact that the only reason Smith got fired was because somebody outside the athletic department found out and he had to be fired.
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You need to hope that you don't have someone like this going after your program. There is dirt everywhere, and this guy isn't interested in proving anything. He is only interested in smear campaigns. Remember how easy it was for Fulmer to bring you down. He didn't need to prove anything. He just needed an idiots court and the media.

I have already stated how I feel about Meyer. This hasn't been about Meyer for me for weeks. But you guys continue to support a guy who broke every rule in journalism in an attempt to bring down a man just because he doesn't like him. If you are okay wit that, so be it.
 
B1GTide said:
You need to hope that you don't have someone like this going after your program. There is dirt everywhere, and this guy isn't interested in proving anything. He is only interested in smear campaigns. Remember how easy it was for Fulmer to bring you down. He didn't need to prove anything. He just needed an idiots court and the media.

I have already stated how I feel about Meyer. This hasn't been about Meyer for me for weeks. But you guys continue to support a guy who broke every rule in journalism in an attempt to bring down a man just because he doesn't like him. If you are okay wit that, so be it.
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Fulmer’s campaign to destroy Alabama is a lot different than Murphy’s reporting of Zach Smith.
 
Redwood Forrest said:
(Men, you're presumed guilty with this "impartial journalist").

Selma, you just described most of the media and most people. Good job, that is called hitting the nail on the head.
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Here's the problem: the metoo movement is RIGHT in that all of this stuff is way UNDER-reported. They are dead on right with that.

Problem is that there ARE phony charges that destroy reputations, too. Look, I'd say unreported tops false charges by 9 or 10 to 1 or more, but
the fact is that the Christine Brennans of the world do more harm than good.

The thing that always got me about Duke lacrosse was that the school suspended them right off and threw them under the bus to appease the public
outcry. And yet you know - and I mean, you KNOW - they would NOT have done that had the lacrosse players been....say.....BASKETBALL players at Duke.

We all know this. And yet bashing them was okay because, hey, it's lacrosse. But we would have heard something about "due process" had it been b-ball.

The press serves a valuable function in a free society. They're a necessity. But too much of the media nowadays is more about destroying folks or
reputations than reporting the facts and letting people make up their own minds.
 
B1GTide said:
journalism
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Edsel, Brontosaurus, Journalism

That aside, I'm not sure where I would fall were I to have to decide about Meyer, as I haven't paid enough attention to know. What little I do know, I think he gets off with a few games suspension, which begs the question as to: if he's guilty enough to warrant suspending, isn't it enough to fire him?

Not my problem.
 
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81usaf92 said:
That’s rather simplistic, but doesn’t come close to either of the actual stories and how very different they are.
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The stories can be different but if the motivations and methods are similar that's what makes them alike. I think that's what B1G is getting at.
There was a lack of evidence, a spiteful whistleblower, and a media cordon waiting for headlines about a high profile program. Those do line up for both. The specifics do make them different, but in a lot of big ways they share some similar themes.

I'm sure Meyer is a little icky. I'm also quite sure there is a lot of BAD and RECKLESS "journalism" going on in this ordeal. I also believe it doesn't take all that much to sink a titan program like Bama, OSU, USC. I think all of these things can e true at once - it doesn't have to be just one.
 
Intl.Aperture said:
The stories can be different but if the motivations and methods are similar that's what makes them alike. I think that's what B1G is getting at.
There was a lack of evidence, a spiteful whistleblower, and a media cordon waiting for headlines about a high profile program. Those do line up for both. The specifics do make them different, but in a lot of big ways they share some similar themes.

I'm sure Meyer is a little icky. I'm also quite sure there is a lot of BAD and RECKLESS "journalism" going on in this ordeal. I also believe it doesn't take all that much to sink a titan program like Bama, OSU, USC. I think all of these things can e true at once - it doesn't have to be just one.
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But the problem is that keeping it as simplistic as hate ignores 2 things: 1) that Alabama was going to be turned in anyways and 2) Tennessee did it to get the NCAA out of their program. Yes Fulmer did do it to bury Alabama but he also did it for his own survival because the NCAA was close to bringing the hammer down on him. Spurrier has been on record that he and a bunch of other SEC coaches (to include CNS) were coming forward against Dubose because his staff was constantly doing that crap. But Fulmer came forward with a boat load of info supplied to him by several sources.

For the Urban Meyer case, this is about Urban Meyer’s ego more than anything else. Had he just said “no comment” then we aren’t here today. But he had to challenge McMurphy in public, and this is why we have had the goat circus these last few weeks.
 
Intl.Aperture said:
The stories can be different but if the motivations and methods are similar that's what makes them alike. I think that's what B1G is getting at.
There was a lack of evidence, a spiteful whistleblower, and a media cordon waiting for headlines about a high profile program. Those do line up for both. The specifics do make them different, but in a lot of big ways they share some similar themes.

I'm sure Meyer is a little icky. I'm also quite sure there is a lot of BAD and RECKLESS "journalism" going on in this ordeal. I also believe it doesn't take all that much to sink a titan program like Bama, OSU, USC. I think all of these things can e true at once - it doesn't have to be just one.
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Something most people want to completely ignore in all of this is the fact that, when Meyer was responding to questions about McMurphy's "article" at Big Ten Media Days, the actual content of McMurphy's Facebook post was grossly, factually incorrect. Then, after Meyer's reaction - which could easily have been clearer, better-chosen words but wasn't actually lying if he was referring to the inaccuracies of McMurphy's post - McMurphy simply edits his post to remove the inaccuracies rather than editing it to show a retraction, thereby admitting his own mistakes.

If you actually read or listen to what Meyer actually said, assuming he is specifically speaking about McMurphy's false assertion that Smith was arrested and charged with felonies in 2015, it's obvious that Meyer wasn't intentionally lying at all - simply (perhaps) over-reacting to a reporter's libelous statements about a member of his staff.

The timing of Smith's firing does muddy things up a bit. However, off of the top of my head, I can think of a plausible scenario that could explain it... Perhaps Smith had previously been warned by Meyer and/or other OSU admin that he needed to keep his house in order and the next time his name ended up coming up and embarrassing OSU he was gone.

Regardless, Meyer deserves ridicule at the very least and perhaps punishment for keeping such an idiot on his staff, likely just because of his name. After all, Smith is either an idiot who beat on his wife or an idiot who didn't realize he needed to remove himself from a wife who would falsely accuse him of beating her.
 
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81usaf92 said:
...For the Urban Meyer case, this is about Urban Meyer’s ego more than anything else. Had he just said “no comment” then we aren’t here today. But he had to challenge McMurphy in public, and this is why we have had the goat circus these last few weeks.
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I, for one, wouldn't be surprised in the least to see a lawsuit coming from Smith's camp against McMurhpy for libel, given the incorrect allegations he originally made against Smith in his Facebook post.

That is, of course, assuming a Facebook post is legally considered print as opposed to speech.
 
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