USCe opening/Kirby Smart concerns

[bamamc1]

Keep your eye on Hudspeth -- coach of the Ragin Cajuns. Apparently an assistant coach was recently fired and they vacated their 2011 season because the Asst Coach was paying for others to take ACT tests for recruits. He may bail while he's still a warm commodity.

Let's all hope they hire hudspeth. We wouldn't have to worry about them anymore.

 

[RTR91]

Let's all hope they hire hudspeth. We wouldn't have to worry about them anymore.

He's only gone 9-4 his previous 4 years at ULL. You're probably right. He wouldn't do well at Sakarlina.

 

[Ldlane]

I surprised nobody on the board has brought up Izzo!

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I have to disagree with this statement about USC. Their biggest problem is that they have never been anybody. Clemson is in the same state, is much more similar to UT area/demographic wise, but has historically had much more success and continues to succeed. I also believe that UT used to pretty much take their pick of recruits from SC until Spurrier showed up and locked the state away from them. SC isn't Florida or anything but we have taken our fair share of top talent from the state as well (John Fulton).

I think Carolina can build off of Spurrier's 3 recent 11-win seasons and prior winning seasons with the right hire and continue to be a winning program. Honestly USC needs newer facilities.


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Well, I stand by my remarks. North Carolina has never been a fertile field for Div I talent, nor has the Atlantic Ocean. East TN is, well, as I said, a desert. GA is the only real possibility and they've never had success there, particularly compared to Clemson. You've named one player from SC. Who are all the rest of them?

 

[bamagradinATL]

Re: USCe (South Carolina) opening/Kirby Smart concerns

Swallowed whole by Terry:

Tator Tot done swole up...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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Tator Tot done swole up...

Looks more like "Tater Toad."

 

[TrampLineman]

If I'm him I'm waiting. If he's waited this long surely he can wait for another few years to get a better job.

 

[TidePride50]

Re: USCe (South Carolina) opening/Kirby Smart concerns

He can get a better job.


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[gtowntide]

Re: USCe (South Carolina) opening/Kirby Smart concerns

Are we positive coach Smart wants a head coaching job? He's making pretty good money for a DC and may not want the total responsibility. Could he be like the Chief?

 

[CrimsonTheory]

Re: USCe (South Carolina) opening/Kirby Smart concerns

Not going to lie, the thought of a Kirby Smart .v. Jim Mc for the SEC west, while they are both pummeling Tennessee on a yearly basis, is a really fun thought. But alias I agree with the notion that Smart can find better jobs that USCe.

 

[bama579]

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Not going to lie, the thought of a Kirby Smart .v. Jim Mc for the SEC west, while they are both pummeling Tennessee on a yearly basis, is a really fun thought. But alias I agree with the notion that Smart can find better jobs that USCe.

Both SCe and the Flawida are are SEC east.

 

[tidefanbeezer]

Re: USCe (South Carolina) opening/Kirby Smart concerns

I've given up on trying to predict where Kirby will end up. By normal standards, he should already have a HC gig by now.

Every time I think he's going to jump at an opening, he sticks around.

Not that a I mind. I'm just giving up on trying to guess when he'll leave.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

Re: USCe (South Carolina) opening/Kirby Smart concerns

Only explanation to me is he is either holding out for UGA or waiting for Saban to retire assuming he is the logical replacement (not to open that thread up again)


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[RammerJammer14]

Well, I stand by my remarks. North Carolina has never been a fertile field for Div I talent, nor has the Atlantic Ocean. East TN is, well, as I said, a desert. GA is the only real possibility and they've never had success there, particularly compared to Clemson. You've named one player from SC. Who are all the rest of them?

I was talking about being unable to recruit African Americans due to culture, and saying that there is some talent. Not loads, but enough.

USC will never be a serious national title contender, but I believe it is possible to continue to be a winning program aiming for 9-10 win regular seasons with the right coach. The difficulty is that I don't think USC, Clemson, Tenn, and Georgia can all be successful and USC be able to recruit well enough.


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[USCBAMA]

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Are we positive coach Smart wants a head coaching job? He's making pretty good money for a DC and may not want the total responsibility. Could he be like the Chief?

Just internet speculation, but what else are we going to do?

As to SC HS talent, it is very cyclical. At times it produces enough for USC and/or Clemson to field top 25 teams with minimal outside hepl, but not on a consistent level like AL, GA, FL, MS, etc. Spurrier did stop UT, FSU, Penn ST., and other big programs that had pillaged the best players from the state, and he did so at a great time as he nabbed Gilmore, Clowney, Jeffery, Lattimore, Ellington, and a few other first-round caliber in-state recruits. In the past those stars would've landed elsewhere. Last couple of years the state has not produced the same caliber of players and that has been a small part of SCs slump. So the talent level is there at times, just not as consistent as some other southern states.

I don't know enough about NC HS talent to comment, other than it seems there are too many hands in the cookie jar. UNC, NCSU, ECU, Wake, Duke, USC, VA, Ohio St, Penn St, UT, VT and others all recruit NC hard, so even if they have a banner crop of HS talent, it gets divided so much that no one team seems to benefit greatly.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I was talking about being unable to recruit African Americans due to culture, and saying that there is some talent. Not loads, but enough.

USC will never be a serious national title contender, but I believe it is possible to continue to be a winning program aiming for 9-10 win regular seasons with the right coach. The difficulty is that I don't think USC, Clemson, Tenn, and Georgia can all be successful and USC be able to recruit well enough.


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My post wasn't clear. I wasn't really speaking of USC with respect to recruiting black folk, only UT. I think that USC is in a difficult recruiting corner, no matter how you slice it...

 

[USCBAMA]

I have to disagree with this statement about USC. Their biggest problem is that they have never been anybody. Clemson is in the same state, is much more similar to UT area/demographic wise, but has historically had much more success and continues to succeed. I also believe that UT used to pretty much take their pick of recruits from SC until Spurrier showed up and locked the state away from them. SC isn't Florida or anything but we have taken our fair share of top talent from the state as well (John Fulton).

I think Carolina can build off of Spurrier's 3 recent 11-win seasons and prior winning seasons with the right hire and continue to be a winning program. Honestly USC needs newer facilities.


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In terms of recruiting African American athletes, Columbia is pretty diverse population-wise, and the university had the second highest percentage of AA students in the SEC in 2012 (haven't seen stats since then). With the Confederate flag finally gone from the statehouse, I don't think race will be a big issue in Columbia relative to other southern schools. Like you say, Clemson has a relatively low percentage of AAs in the town and at the school, much more like UT situation IMO.

Now overcoming the fact that USC is USC and not Bama, LSU, Florida, UGA, etc. is always a difficult task for a HC in Columbia to overcome on the recruiting trail. Just not much history to build on, though there is more now than there was a decade ago.

 

[CoastGhost]

Not sure why Kirby would take a job where nobody has ever been truly successful, even the Head Ball Coach couldn't win at USCe. Spurrier's reputation will survive. CKS would leave there in two years looking more like Will Muschamp than Coach Mac. He should wait on Arkansas - that one is coming open pretty soon.

Or if Georgia loses any two of Auburn, Florida and Tech ...

 

[USCBAMA]

My post wasn't clear. I wasn't really speaking of USC with respect to recruiting black folk, only UT. I think that USC is in a difficult recruiting corner, no matter how you slice it...

I misunderstood the post as well. Ignore my post above, I agree with you.

 

[Alasippi]

I know if the next SEC job opens up, Kirby is gone. I would think Cochran would go with him, maybe Napier as well. The question is, IS the USC the right job though? I don't know if any one in SEC is on hot seat beside Butch at Tennessee. SO, I think Kirby would be smart to take the job.

I wouldn't be suprised to see Mark Dantonio coming to SC... Since that's his alma mater. I'm also suprised to see WIll Muschamp is not on the list.

I think Butch threw a bucket of water on the hot seat last Saturday.