We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys (Scrimmage Discussion)

[BadgerTidefan]

In regards to the QB discussion in this thread and plenty of others on the forum I think everyone or almost everyone would agree they want the QB to eventually start that gives us the best chance to win, hopefully regardless of time in the program or any other factors. It seems the disagreement is the different opinions over who that might be. The people that favor Coker I think are really hoping he lives up to the projections by the various media, especially ESPN and probably also favor the drop back passing type of game.. I know I've felt that way, hoping for a genuine star QB this year, but I've thought recently it may be another year before he can develop into that real star I'd love to see. All the talk about time in the program I don't understand unless some think the other players have issues with accepting Coker or Pharos his ability to adapt to our program in time. Personally, I don't agree that line of thinking, to me it's strictly who gives us the best offensive performance and while I might think that will eventually be Coker, I trust CNS and will be perfectly happy in either case. I bet the players also feel that way and will recognize who gives the best chance to win. As good a person as we hear Blake is, if he isn't the eventual QB I'm sure he would fully support Coker in the role and discourage any dissent or I'll feelings.
The recent talk about race is really dissappointing, I think it's wrong and uncalled for. I haven't read any posts that I think lean in one direction or the other because of that. I haven't read every post, so maybe I did miss something, but I just don't think it's a factor in any way and wish it would go away. I'm sure lots of outsiders read this forum and to project that in any way reflects badly on the fan base. That's my take on it, but me and none of us are in the decision chain. I bet we see both of them or maybe 3 of them for 2, maybe 3 games, maybe even more.

 

[Just Win]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

If the potential "leak" of information was that important then the coaching staff and administration should have known better. This is a no-brainer. It is situations like this that being a realist serves better than an idealist.

Guys, this is getting out of hand. You can get more specific Bama info from sportscenter every night than the general comments i made. Geez, all i was trying to do is calm the nerves of all the people who seem to think that the world will end if Jacob Coker isn't the next Joe Montana. And to set the record straight - THERE WAS NO ORGANIZED SIT DOWN MEETING OR ANYTHING SIMILAR WHERE ANYONE SAID ANYTHING TO OUR GROUP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD SAY ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET. And I certainly don't think anything that i posted would get a second look by anyone interested from any other team or fanbase or coaching staff. Give those people a little more credit.

If someone has a beef about t, be a man and send me a private message instead of acting like i just divulged the wishbone surprise of 1971.

 

[Just Win]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

Sure, those in attendance should have kept their mouth shut. But to expect 500 or so die hard fans (which most Bama fans are just that, die hard) to keep their mouths shut is a bit naive. I don't think the information that could have been gathered from the practice was that important to be honest. Nick Saban is smarter than that. It very well could have been a formality that they tell everybody with the unspoken understanding among the staff and administration that it is a pipe dream to expect that. But that's just speculation at best.

Thank you.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

Guys, this is getting out of hand. You can get more specific Bama info from sportscenter every night than the general comments i made. Geez, all i was trying to do is calm the nerves of all the people who seem to think that the world will end if Jacob Coker isn't the next Joe Montana. And to set the record straight - THERE WAS NO ORGANIZED SIT DOWN MEETING OR ANYTHING SIMILAR WHERE ANYONE SAID ANYTHING TO OUR GROUP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD SAY ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET. And I certainly don't think anything that i posted would get a second look by anyone interested from any other team or fanbase or coaching staff. Give those people a little more credit.

If someone has a beef about t, be a man and send me a private message instead of acting like i just divulged the wishbone surprise of 1971.

If someone had a beef about it you would have long received a pm. I'm not sure why you quoted my post with your rant seeing I'm one of the ones saying it's no big deal.

 

[Just Win]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

I haven't really seen anything posted by someone present that would upset the staff. It's not like someone is posting formations, player groupings, or particular plays.

Thank you - exactly the point. I just gave a simple generic overview with few names and no specific detailed info. I wouldn't have known it if i saw it anyway.

 

[Just Win]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

And I guess we can make this as big of a deal as we want as well. Going by the letter of the law, no, the people shouldn't have said a word about the practice. Even if their spouses at home (who maybe weren't able to go) or neighbors wanted to know. But I think injecting some common sense into the situation would more thank likely lead us to believe our staff and administration isn't so stupid, that they're going to take a total stranger's word to not leak important information from a practice they were allowed to watch. I just don't believe our staff would put the team at that kind of risk. Again, I think they would rather nothing be leaked but if something is leaked it will be nothing of value to our competitors.

I'll also add that a lot of the information some of our guys report on this message board roots back to someone at practice who's become a "source" to guys like Earle and other members of Tidefans. They in turn generously provide us with practice details. I'm pretty sure Coach Saban wouldn't want any of that happening either.

And to add, nothing of any secretive nature went on at the practice - simple blocking and tackling folks. Like just about every other practice I'm sure. Kind of like what you'll see every Saturday this fall. Remember, we don't do gimmicks at Alabama. We play football like it's supposed to be played. Mano-a-mano.

Interesting that some folks on this excellent board would think that there would have been anything at this type of scrimmage that would be worthy of "leaking".

 

[Just Win]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

If someone had a beef about it you would have long received a pm. I'm not sure why you quoted my post with your rant seeing I'm one of the ones saying it's no big deal.

Apologies. Didn't mean to include all of your post, and I recognize that your obviously one of the sane ones on this.

 

[Drewy26]

Re: We've Got Ourselves a Kicker Guys

Absolutely not. I was with the A-club group, and no one said anything about what you are talking about. Maybe you were in the REC group or another group, but no one said anything of the sort to our group. We were never addressed as a group. Maybe you are meaning that someone said that AFTER the scrimmage at the gathering where Saban spoke - I did not attend that this year because i had to get back home to other obligations. And by the way, I'd bet if Saban read my comments, he wouldn't think twice about it because i didn't say anything that specific or anything that would surprise anyone.

Are we talking about the same Nick Saban?

 

[crimsonaudio]

I want Sims to start just because of things like this.

^^ He stole my answer.

 

[CrimsonForce]

McElroy said on SEC now that he would start Coker over Sims because Coker is a pro style and fits Lane Kiffin's offense better. Is Greg a hater on Blake Sims also? Greg played with Blake. Why would he hate on him??

 

[mittman]

McElroy said on SEC now that he would start Coker over Sims because Coker is a pro style and fits Lane Kiffin's offense better. Is Greg a hater on Blake Sims also? Greg played with Blake. Why would he hate on him??

Greg is paid to voice an opinion. Apparently this is his. He knows a little more than the average guy about who is better for the job, and probably who is leading, but I doubt he knows more than the coaching staff. I don't see this as hating on Sims, but going along with the crowd.

 

[atlbama]

Was Sims even a QB when he and Greg overlapped?

 

[CrimsonForce]

Greg is paid to voice an opinion. Apparently this is his. He knows a little more than the average guy about who is better for the job, and probably who is leading, but I doubt he knows more than the coaching staff. I don't see this as hating on Sims, but going along with the crowd.

I don't see it as hating on Sims either but a lot of people in this thread think that if you don't think Sims is the best option you are hating on him. Kinda disappointing some think like that..

 

[RTR91]

McElroy said on SEC now that he would start Coker over Sims because Coker is a pro style and fits Lane Kiffin's offense better.

I still don't understand this thinking. So what if Coker is a pro-style QB. If he doesn't give us the best chance to win, why does it matter he's a prototypical pro-style QB?

Note, I'm not saying he doesn't give us the best chance to win. Just pointing out that line of thinking comes across as lazy. "Well, Saban runs a pro style offense. He needs the pro style QB no matter how he compares to the dual threat guy."

Is Greg a hater on Blake Sims also? Greg played with Blake. Why would he hate on him??

The only time they were on the team together was Blake's redshirt year when Blake bounced around positions. Unless Greg has been to several practices, I'm not sure he has a sufficient sample size. I say several because CNS continues to say both guys need to be more consistent.

 

[BamaMoon]

I've seen a comment or two bringing up the "race" factor in the qb competition. There is a side of me that wishes BS could be the qb just to shut up opposing fans who use this against us.

However, that goes against everything I know about sports on all levels. I despise the idea that in youth sports "everybody gets to play an equal amount" or "everybody gets a trophy" or that a certain person plays for a reason outside of their performance level.

Bama, and every other team in the history of whatever sport, should always play their best player!

As for Sims, if he was physically built like J. Coker, I think many people would be hoping he's the guy and I really think for 99.9% of Bama fans, the draw of Coker is his physical measurements and alleged skill set and untapped, raw potential.

Play the best guy period! If it happens to be the guy that doesn't have the prototypical build we'll accept it. But, nobody should be basing their hope of our qb on the color of his skin!

 

[CrimsonForce]

I still don't understand this thinking. So what if Coker is a pro-style QB. If he doesn't give us the best chance to win, why does it matter he's a prototypical pro-style QB?

Note, I'm not saying he doesn't give us the best chance to win. Just pointing out that line of thinking comes across as lazy. "Well, Saban runs a pro style offense. He needs the pro style QB no matter how he compares to the dual threat guy."



The only time they were on the team together was Blake's redshirt year when Blake bounced around positions. Unless Greg has been to several practices, I'm not sure he has a sufficient sample size. I say several because CNS continues to say both guys need to be more consistent.

Our offense is built to run pro style scheme. Now that doesn't mean that the offense isn't going to have spread and other elements. But we don't have 300 pound offensive lineman and 170 pound running backs which is what most teams have who run a HUNH/spread. I think Blake should have a role on offense to better incorporate some of the spread elements but not sure he should be the full time starter.

 

[rgw]

The thing about the zone read is that I don't think we could run it as effectively as Auburn because it isn't so highly integrated into the full offensive concept.

One of the reason their offense works is that everything they do is predicated off making you defend that play and burning you with constraint plays that beat those defenses. "Run some prostyle and throwing in an occasional zone read play" isn't a recipe for a ton of success with the option.

 

[DC Tide]

Greg is paid to voice an opinion. Apparently this is his. He knows a little more than the average guy about who is better for the job, and probably who is leading, but I doubt he knows more than the coaching staff.

I'm not even sure about whether he knows more than the average guy. McElroy, like Herbstreit and the other ESPN talkers, is paid to know a LITTLE about a LOT of teams, not a LOT about a FEW teams. It's breadth over depth.

He's also paid to take a little kernel of information and spin it out into a 3-minute confectionery of opinion.

ESPN is like cotton candy: a fun little treat without much sustenance.

 

[CrimsonForce]

I'm not even sure about whether he knows more than the average guy. McElroy, like Herbstreit and the other ESPN talkers, is paid to know a LITTLE about a LOT of teams, not a LOT about a FEW teams. It's breadth over depth.

He's also paid to take a little kernel of information and spin it out into a 3-minute confectionery of opinion.

ESPN is like cotton candy: a fun little treat without much sustenance.

I'm sure he knows more than the average guy, at least about Bama. He was in the program for 4 years and was around some of the players that are still there now..

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm not even sure about whether he knows more than the average guy. McElroy, like Herbstreit and the other ESPN talkers, is paid to know a LITTLE about a LOT of teams, not a LOT about a FEW teams. It's breadth over depth.

He's also paid to take a little kernel of information and spin it out into a 3-minute confectionery of opinion.

ESPN is like cotton candy: a fun little treat without much sustenance.

Nice illustration! However, it's not like Gmac doesn't know or can't get some inside stuff on Bama more than some other talking heads.

The real interesting/frustrating thing (depending on how you look at this) for us fans is we hear CNS talk about the qb race being 50-50 and then every media person who has been around T-town has come away saying JC is the guy. If just one person said it was Sims at least we'd have more fodder for conversation.

I'm not saying CNS isn't shooting straight, but those guys who know football and cover football see something they are willing to "prognosticate" that nobody on message boards gets to see (except the handful here who have seen the two scrimmages).

I know there's been a lot of worry over this, but I actually have enjoyed the qb discussions and it has been a fun thing to help pass the summer and pre-season days!