News Article: Where the stimulus bill stands in Congress, and what comes next

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You’ve got to be kidding me with this nonsense. They are actually moving pretty quick and if it wasn’t for the GOP trying there best to slow it down, they probably have it done by now. The goal has always been to get it done by the time the current benefits expire on March 14. They on track to do that and, if they miss that deadline then maybe I would call it a failure.
While I agree that they are moving pretty quickly, I do not think the GOP being more cooperative would make this move more quickly. It would have just allowed the Democrats to fit their entire wish list into one bill instead of part of it. I think if unemployment expired in may they would be moving slower and if it expired February they would have found a way to push a bill through early. With unemployment expiring March 14 I expect them to pass the bill no sooner than March 12.
 

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they were busy undermining the election
It’s weird... I don’t recall them even once commenting in the 3-4 threads about the Capitol coup attempt. In fact I don’t recall them commenting in any thread here until the anger from that died down a little. They had no worries or concerns then but suddenly here we are. It’s been blatantly obvious for years now what they’re here for & it’s not to participate in these topics in good faith.
 

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It’s weird... I don’t recall them even once commenting in the 3-4 threads about the Capitol coup attempt. In fact I don’t recall them commenting in any thread here until the anger from that died down a little. They had no worries or concerns then but suddenly here we are. It’s been blatantly obvious for years now what they’re here for & it’s not to participate in these topics in good faith.
i'm waiting on the inevitable drive by poster (but totally not a trump supporter) to come to the rescue and lecture us about being a liberal socialist echo chamber.
 

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Most (in fact, nearly all) is being driven by the 50-50 split in the Senate and the likelihood that no Republicans (certainly not 10 of them) will support anything that Biden proposes. He could propose items from the 2020 Republican platform (had they had one other than supporting anything Trump did or said) and they'd oppose it.

If any Democrat opposes abolishing the filibuster (and two have said they're opposed), it won't happen. The numbers aren't there. That drives the need to use the reconciliation process because the budget resolution and the reconciliation bill that brings things in line with the resolution can't be filibustered. That's why you have to cram things into one bill. You can't do two reconciliation bills for the same fiscal year. This bill is for FY 2021. They will try to do another later this year for FY 2022. They can get another next year for 2023.

Remember that Biden was in the White House in 2009-10 when Obama kept trying to come to agreement with the Republicans on the Recovery Act and health care. The Republicans never acted in good faith and the Recovery Act was too small to really do the job and the ACA lacked several things that would have helped it to work better. Obama has written of a meeting he had with Chuck Grassley on health care where he asked if I give you what you're asking for, will you support the bill? Grassley said he wouldn't. Biden's people have said that they won't get sucked into that again.
 

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By the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CARES_Act

Of note:

Wikipedia CARES Act said:
Introduced in the House as H.R. 748 (Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019) by Joe Courtney (D-CT) on January 24, 2019
Passed the House on July 17, 2019
Passed the Senate as the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act on March 25, 2020
Signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27, 2020
So technically we have almost a year and 2 months of hypocritical pearl clutching.
 

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This is a change I can live with but, this is just another example of how fractured the Democrats still are as a party. Biden can't get his party to agree on stuff and they think they will be able to work with the GOP down the road. Sure, whatever. Joe Manchin is going to be a thorn in their side on many things it seems.
 

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President Biden has agreed to narrow eligibility for a new round of $1,400 stimulus payments in his $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill, under pressure from moderate Senate Democrats who’ve pushed for more “targeted” spending in the bill.

Under the plan passed by the House last week, individuals earning below $75,000 per year and couples making up to $150,000 per year would qualify for the full $1,400 stimulus payment. The size of that payment begins diminishing for higher earners. Under the House plan, individuals making up to $100,000 per year and couples making up to $200,000 per year would receive a partial payment less than $1,400 per person, scaled down depending on income.

Under the changes agreed to by Biden and Senate Democratic leadership, individuals earning under $75,000 per year and couples earning under $150,000 would still receive the full $1,400 per person benefit. However, the benefit would disappear altogether for individuals earning more than $80,000 annually and couples earning more than $160,000.

That means singles making between $80,000 and $100,000, as well as couples earning between $160,000 and $200,000, are newly excluded from a partial benefit under Biden’s plan.
That's a start
 
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Remember that Biden was in the White House in 2009-10 when Obama kept trying to come to agreement with the Republicans on the Recovery Act and health care. The Republicans never acted in good faith and the Recovery Act was too small to really do the job and the ACA lacked several things that would have helped it to work better. Obama has written of a meeting he had with Chuck Grassley on health care where he asked if I give you what you're asking for, will you support the bill? Grassley said he wouldn't. Biden's people have said that they won't get sucked into that again.
How anyone can still support a party like this is simply beyond comprehension.
 

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i guess the concern is not as wide spread as some would have us think


At a moment of deep political polarization in America, support for Biden’s pandemic response extends across party lines. Overall, 70% of Americans back the Democratic president’s handling of the virus response, including 44% of Republicans.
 

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Most (in fact, nearly all) is being driven by the 50-50 split in the Senate and the likelihood that no Republicans (certainly not 10 of them) will support anything that Biden proposes. He could propose items from the 2020 Republican platform (had they had one other than supporting anything Trump did or said) and they'd oppose it.

If any Democrat opposes abolishing the filibuster (and two have said they're opposed), it won't happen. The numbers aren't there. That drives the need to use the reconciliation process because the budget resolution and the reconciliation bill that brings things in line with the resolution can't be filibustered. That's why you have to cram things into one bill. You can't do two reconciliation bills for the same fiscal year. This bill is for FY 2021. They will try to do another later this year for FY 2022. They can get another next year for 2023.

Remember that Biden was in the White House in 2009-10 when Obama kept trying to come to agreement with the Republicans on the Recovery Act and health care. The Republicans never acted in good faith and the Recovery Act was too small to really do the job and the ACA lacked several things that would have helped it to work better. Obama has written of a meeting he had with Chuck Grassley on health care where he asked if I give you what you're asking for, will you support the bill? Grassley said he wouldn't. Biden's people have said that they won't get sucked into that again.
The problem is that you have progressives and you have Manchin. Bernie and his group need to stop getting in the way because it’s obvious that he isn’t in the majority, and Manchin needs to stop being a kid.
 
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The problem is that you have progressives and you have Manchin. Bernie and his group need to stop getting in the way because it’s obvious that he isn’t in the majority, and Manchin needs to stop being a kid.
Manchin is a professional politician. He pretends to be a democrat because being a democrat was necessary to get elected back when he got into politics in WV. As the state of WV has become more and more republican, so has Manchin (it is swinging red, and has been since the union jobs washed away).

Manchin is just trying to retain power in a state that has completely bought into trumpism and red politics. He isn't ready to retire yet, and he sees this as an opportunity to seize even more power as the 50th vote.
 

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Manchin is a professional politician. He pretends to be a democrat because being a democrat was necessary to get elected back when he got into politics in WV. As the state of WV has become more and more republican, so has Manchin (it is swinging red, and has been since the union jobs washed away).

Manchin is just trying to retain power in a state that has completely bought into trumpism and red politics. He isn't ready to retire yet, and he sees this as an opportunity to seize even more power as the 50th vote.
Yeah but when he and the progressive wing are getting in the way of stimulus money it’s inviting a lot of bad consequences. One is that it allows idiots like Omar to openly praise Trump and damn Biden because they didn’t get their way.
 

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