AJ McCarron's Future at the Capstone

Will GMac retain it? Who knows? BUT, I guarantee you we WILL have a dominant passing attack that will be feared come the fall. Saban wants it. The team wants it. That is a HUGE priority for the offseason. Saban has had to play conservatively on offense because the defense has been such a strength. This year's defense may require a lot more points on the board until they get seasoned, and the coaches know that.

"Air Saban"? It may happen. But we have the QB talent across the board and whoever wins out will have EARNED it...

Have you heard something? Cause I think making the passing game our main priority is the right thing for the offseason and would payoff big time in the regular season. It just shows how dynamic Saban is willing to be to win, how he's willingto go into unfamiliar territory and make it his comfort zone.
 
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It takes a special kind of quarterback to start as a true freshman. I think USC's Matt Barkley is that type of quarterback. Texas' Gilbert demonstrated that he would have likely been able to lead Texas to a solid season if he was the starter all year. Matt Stafford was that type of player for Georgia a few years ago. I think Jimmy Clausen was too. Also, remember that Colt McCoy started from game 1 as a true freshman at Texas....

Good insight in this post. However, even though Colt McCoy is a great QB, he was a redshirt Frosh during the UT win over USC in the BCSNCG. He was on the sidelines and apparently V. Young told him that in a couple of years, he would be leading the team to a NC victory...I guess that didn't workout too well!!!

RTR!!!
 
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Have you heard something? Cause I think making the passing game our main priority is the right thing for the offseason and would payoff big time in the regular season. It just shows how dynamic Saban is willing to be to win, how he's willingto go into unfamiliar territory and make it his comfort.

CNS has made it clear at several of the luncheons and meetings that he wants the passing game to be feared and EXPLOSIVE (along with the runnning game, of course) to be able to exploit the other team's weaknesses AT ANY TIME and without letting up...

He wants to win the recruiting battles for big-time WR's and QB's and show them that Alabama isn't "just" a "running" school --- of course we know the stats show that we're very balanced already, he just wants EXPLOSIVENESS and ability to take advantage of mismatches all over the field all of the time.
 
IMO, GMac starts, AJ backup, and God forbid us having to use the #3. I don't know if Sims was promised anything during his recruitment, but I think he RSs.

He was promised the player that gives the team the best chance to win will play...

If he is expecting anything other than it is of his own imagination, not from the mouth of CNS!
 
Phillip Sims has one thing to say about McCarron's future: bleak.

rhYno, I was wondering if the above comment is based upon something Sims may have said, or based on your assessment of their relative potential.

Hopefully both McCarron and Sims will end up having great careers at Bama.

Since I've watched a couple of our QB controversies in the past, I hope we at TideFans are resolving now to let the coaches develop and decide on playing time for each without doing a lot of partisan carping about it.

We'll probably be best rewarded by lustily supporting both players. :D
 
Might be a great idea to have a QB who is ready to play at all times and has some game experience throughout the season... Just ask texas what padding stats when the game is out of hand and leaving a starter in will get ya~!~ :)
 
CNS has made it clear at several of the luncheons and meetings that he wants the passing game to be feared and EXPLOSIVE (along with the runnning game, of course) to be able to exploit the other team's weaknesses AT ANY TIME and without letting up...

He wants to win the recruiting battles for big-time WR's and QB's and show them that Alabama isn't "just" a "running" school --- of course we know the stats show that we're very balanced already, he just wants EXPLOSIVENESS and ability to take advantage of mismatches all over the field all of the time.

Awesome. Make that my number one thing to look forward to next year.
 
McElroy led us to a national championship, and some people think he will be replaced? That's just plain crazy. What else does the guy have to do? The best guy will play, but there's almost no way you'd take out a proven senior quarterback for an untested redshirt freshman. For goodness sake, McCarron hasn't even seen mop-up duty because of Jackson (I know, he passed Jackson on the depth chart but didn't play to get a redshirt; that doesn't change that he has no experience whatsoever). To think anyone other than McElroy will be our quarterback next year is ridiculous.

McCarron's future is quite good, however. He will be part of one of the best quarterback battles in recent Alabama history with Sims (and Jackson, although that battle already seems to be won) for the reins to one of the premier programs in the country.
 
Nick Saban, dating back to his days at Michigan State and LSU, has always favored physical, athletic passing quarterbacks. Not necessarily a run-first quarterback, but a guy with a ton of athleticism who can beat you on the ground if necessary. I think that's why you've seen us sign guys like Star Jackson, Philip Simms and even Nick Fanuzzi under this regime.

From what I heard, initially CNS wasn't too high on Greg McElroy. He liked Star Jackson's physical upside better, and Jim McElwain talked him into giving Greg a shot. Obviously it worked out pretty well this year, but guys like McElroy and McCarron are not the prototypical "Saban" quarterback.

That being said, I've heard that McCarron might be the best pure passer we've seen in Tuscaloosa in some time, from both an arm strength and accuracy standpoint. It's hard to see not giving a guy like that a shot. But after this season I'll be willing to bet Simms gets as much consideration as possible, since he seems to be the more athletic of the two. Whenever possible CNS seems to want to put the best physical specimen on the field. It will be a very interesting battle. Either way I like our potential production at the QB spot for the next few seasons.
 
One year you have more 5 star QB's than another year, so I do not believe that is true.

If you look at the rankings of a particular position from year to year, one year may have 5 DB's as 5 stars, the next three.

So, rankings have a set meaning that is consistent year to year.

I don't think you caught what what I was saying. It's kind of like asking... what's the real difference between a 3 & 4 star recruit, or a 4 & 5 star recruit? It isn't talent, it's rank!

In general regard, every player that's thought of to be a good Div. 1 player is rated a 3 star. Four & Five stars are then awarded after all the players are ranked. Scout automatically gives the Top 300 players (and just those) a rank of 4-stars, and then gives the top 50 players a rank of 5-stars. Rival's awards 5-stars to the top 30 (give or take a couple) players. I'm not sure what Rival's cutoff number is for the 4-stars... but both sites use the same system every year. Furthermore, it handicaps the ability to compare players between different recruiting classes.

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if any among McCarron, Jackson, or Sims never start for the tide (barring injury). It's a crapshoot predicting how QB's will fare. Although, looking at Saban's track record with QBs, I think there is an easy case to be made that he prefers experience before talent.
 
Long, long ago, I learned not to make predictions on a QB's chances of college success based on HS performance. It's a crap-shoot more than any other position. There just isn't anybody who's a sure-fire lock to excel...
 
I don't think you caught what what I was saying. It's kind of like asking... what's the real difference between a 3 & 4 star recruit, or a 4 & 5 star recruit? It isn't talent, it's rank!

In general regard, every player that's thought of to be a good Div. 1 player is rated a 3 star. Four & Five stars are then awarded after all the players are ranked. Scout automatically gives the Top 300 players (and just those) a rank of 4-stars, and then gives the top 50 players a rank of 5-stars. Rival's awards 5-stars to the top 30 (give or take a couple) players. I'm not sure what Rival's cutoff number is for the 4-stars... but both sites use the same system every year. Furthermore, it handicaps the ability to compare players between different recruiting classes.

I totally understand what you are saying but we are looking at different services.
I follow Rivals and they don't process players that way. If you look at their top 100, the 5 and four star drop off is different from year to year.

How does it make sense any other way? "Yeah he was a five star but it was from year so and so. He was more like a four star from this years recruits and a three from two years ago.

I guess that's why I follow Rivals :)
 
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A. J. McCarron and the Running Backs

My friend Mike Roote brought this very question up a couple of days ago. As the down marker guy, Mike stood very close to A. J. McCarron a few years ago on the sideline when St. Paul's Episcopal of Mobile participated in a jamboree at Ivan Jones Stadium in Foley.

Mike said that McCarron couldn't have weighed over 165 pounds at that time (his junior year). St. Paul's went on to win the 4A state championship that year with McCarron at quarterback. Mike says, "Whatever they tell you (about McCarron), subtract about fifteen pounds and you've got his weight."

I am one of those who thinks McCarron has a bright future. And, I think he will weigh maybe 220 before he hangs up his pads for the last time.

But I will tell you this. It was Woody Hayes, who said, "There are three things that can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." Hayes was the coach who was known for his "three yards and a cloud of dust" runniing attack at Ohio State.

Well, if you stand back and look at Bear Bryant's career at Bama, even though he had the likes of Joe Namath and Kenny Stabler at quarterback, the Bear's Alabama teams ran the ball. Even Namath and Stabler ran the ball -- and they have the knees to prove it. Those Alabama teams that won big ran the ball. Namath or Stabler either one was lucky to ever throw the ball fifteen times in a game at Alabama. Then, as the sixties closed, Bear went to the Wishbone, declaring that he would never have another quarterback who couldn't run the ball. That meant they wouldn't throw much, and they didn't.

Mike brought this point up, that if you want to win championships, run the ball, keep it on the ground. That's what Alabama did this year for the most part, and Alabama won a national championship doing it. Looking at what Bama has coming back next year, we have TWO runners who might have a shot at the Heisman. For that matter, we also have a wide receiver who is in that league, but, as Mike points out, McElroy was a "game manager" this year. That means that usually he wasn't counted on for his passing.

I love the great quarterbacks that have come down the pike at Alabama. But when Alabama has won a national championship, the quarterbacks might as well have been window dressing. It may be that way when McCarron takes over.

Joe Namath has told this story, that Coach Bryant once told him before the Orange Bowl -- (I take it he was talking about the 1965 game, not the 1963 game) -- "Joe, you better get ready to pass the ball. We may throw it TWENTY times this game." Joe grins when he tells that, because he once passed for 400 yards in one game for the New York Jets. There were games when Joe Namath didn't pass thirty times for the Jets.

Nick Saban seems to be built in the mold of Hayes and Bryant. You want to win a championship? Even multiple championships? Keep the ball on the ground. Run those big backs over that defense until the fourth quarter, and you will exhaust that defense. It works every time, if you have the backs and the line to do it.

For that matter, Namath completed 17 of 28 passes in Super Bowl three, but did not pass the ball in the fourth quarter and did not complete a TD pass the whole game. Joe spent much of the night salting away the 16-7 Jets victory over Baltimore by handing the ball off to big Matt Snell, the running back who had played for Woody Hayes at Ohio State.
 
CNS has been quoted as saying he wants an "explosive" passing attack, and that he wants to throw it down-field more. He's made these remarks more than once. That's not really compatible with the old "grind it out" philosophy. Despite this year's results, he's not really happy with the offense as it was at the end of the year...
 

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