Will Obamacare become law this week?

[jthomas666]

2K pages does = bad. If you don't have the Cornhusker kickback, the Lousiana Purchase, and all of the other bought votes you don't have 2k pages. This is one of the things that I don't get with some of you supporters of this bill. If so many people had to be bought or bribed to vote for this bill, how can it be a good bill?

You are conflating two different points--the length and the presence of the kickbacks. 2K pages, in and of itself, isn't a bad thing. As you note, it is the presence of the kickbacks--and the kickbacks could have been there even if the bill were < 2K pages.

 

[swoop10]

This is an interesting suggestion, particularly since all evidence suggests that group insurance is cheaper than individual insurance, even though you may be getting coverage that you don't want/think you need. That's not a matter of government control, it's a simple matter of economics.

Question: The bill strongly encourages/requires that employers provide insurance? Does it require that you accept it? Does it prevent you from turning that coverage down and finding alternative coverage?

Evidence may show that because that is the way most insurance is given out. If employer based insurance wasn't there, who knows how things may change. I heard someone the other day talking about their insurance. She said her husband had company insurance but when they got married and had to go the the family plan, it was cheaper for her to get individual coverage. The same when they had a kid. I'm not saying that my suggestion is the answer or even apart of the answer, just saying that there are other answers. Also this crap about the Republicans not doing anything, Bush tried to give tax free savings accounts but ofcourse the Democrats shot it down because the government wouldn't have control of that.

Question for you because I'm not answering anymore until you atleast answer one of mine. If this is so important and has to be done now, why don't the benefits start right away? Why start the taxes but not the benefits?

 

[swoop10]

You are conflating two different points--the length and the presence of the kickbacks. 2K pages, in and of itself, isn't a bad thing. As you note, it is the presence of the kickbacks--and the kickbacks could have been there even if the bill were < 2K pages.

Really man you are just too hung up on the 2k pages thing. My point is it is way too complicated. It needs to be simplified. With that many pages it has to have way too much crap in it. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree.

 

[jthomas666]

Really man you are just too hung up on the 2k pages thing.

Mainly, I'm stressed at work and am making my own fun.

Question for you because I'm not answering anymore until you atleast answer one of mine. If this is so important and has to be done now, why don't the benefits start right away? Why start the taxes but not the benefits?

Because you cannot snap your fingers and have infrastructure spring into existence (the tax infrastructure is already present).

 

[Bama Reb]

Whether it's 2000 pages or only 20 is really beside the point. The real point is that as of yet, no one even knows what all is in it.

 

[Ldlane]

Whether it's 2000 pages or only 20 is really beside the point. The real point is that as of yet, no one even knows what all is in it.

It just say's that everyone now has access to "sub-par" health care, not just Native Americans!

 

[swoop10]

Mainly, I's stressed at work and am making my own fun. Because you cannot snap your fingers and have infrastructure spring into existence (the tax infrastructure is already present).

Please, this is nothing but a scheme to collect money and not start benefits so the 10 year costs don't look bad. Anytime you collect money for 10 years but only give a service for 6 you can make the cost look good. What would you do if you went to buy a car but they told you to pay for it for 2 years before you can drive it. What a plan!

 

[Tider@GW_Law]

Whether it's 2000 pages or only 20 is really beside the point. The real point is that as of yet, no one even knows what all is in it.

Everybody in America has access to the bills.

See for yourself.

Table of contents starts on page 2, and *.pdf files are easily searchable - click on the binoculars on the lefthand side.

The Senate bill, which will be closer to what passes.

The House bill, which is what folks seem to be having hissy fits over.

If they're too unwieldy for you, go to THOMAS for the CRS summaries.

 

[Relayer]

Everybody in America has access to the bills.

See for yourself.

Table of contents starts on page 2, and *.pdf files are easily searchable - click on the binoculars on the lefthand side.

The Senate bill, which will be closer to what passes.

The House bill, which is what folks seem to be having hissy fits over.

If they're too unwieldy for you, go to THOMAS for the CRS summaries.

So which of these bills is the one they are voting on?

 

[jthomas666]

Please, this is nothing but a scheme to collect money and not start benefits so the 10 year costs don't look bad. Anytime you collect money for 10 years but only give a service for 6 you can make the cost look good. What would you do if you went to buy a car but they told you to pay for it for 2 years before you can drive it. What a plan!

OK, what do you think is a reasonable timetable to hire the necessary people and make all the necessary regulatory decisions?

 

[crimson_blood]

the government is incapable of solving ANY problem, so it should not even try.

you're onto something there, jt

 

[swoop10]

OK, what do you think is a reasonable timetable to hire the necessary people and make all the necessary regulatory decisions?

The second they start taking money from me. If they are going to take money from me it needs to be spent the way they tell me it is going to be spent. They have proven with SSI that if they get money to hold, well they don't hold it they spend it in another direction.

 

[jthomas666]

The second they start taking money from me.

That's just silly. If the government passes a bill to build a nuclear reactor, would you expect it to go online the next day?

 

[RogueElephant]

That's just silly. If the government passes a bill to build a nuclear reactor, would you expect it to go online the next day?

I don't think comparing a healthcare plan with building a nuclear reactor is a fair assumption.

 

[jthomas666]

I don't think comparing a healthcare plan with building a nuclear reactor is a fair assumption.

Fair analogy, but whatever. If you'd like something more comparable, it's like expecting a startup to open its doors the day after the IPO.

 

[swoop10]

That's just silly. If the government passes a bill to build a nuclear reactor, would you expect it to go online the next day?

Then don't take my money right away. Sounds simple to me.

 

[jthomas666]

Then don't take my money right away. Sounds simple to me.

Simple is right; you're a slave to instant gratification. :biggrin2:

 

[swoop10]

Simple is right; you're a slave to instant gratification. :biggrin2:

LOL.....Yeah, I'm going to have to take an attitude like Riz here. I give them my money they give me the action.:eek2::biggrin:

 

[CharminTide]

I'm fairly certain that if my health policy professors were to read this thread, they would collectively die.

 

[swoop10]

I'm fairly certain that if my health policy professors were to read this thread, they would collectively die.

If Obamacare passes they probably will.:wink: