Link: College football will be cracking down on celebrations before crossing goal line.
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Good.
I've been saying they should do this for years. Treat it like a hold/block in the back and penalize from the spot. Coaches will not tolerate it if they start having touchdowns taken off the board. I'd also like to see them review any touchdowns where the player drops the ball as he crosses the goal line, and if the player is deemed to have lost complete control of the ball before crossing the goal line, it's a touchback and the opposing team gets the ball on the thirty-five after the fifteen yard unsportsmanlike penalty gets tacked on.
I've been saying they should do this for years. Treat it like a hold/block in the back and penalize from the spot. Coaches will not tolerate it if they start having touchdowns taken off the board. I'd also like to see them review any touchdowns where the player drops the ball as he crosses the goal line, and if the player is deemed to have lost complete control of the ball before crossing the goal line, it's a touchback and the opposing team gets the ball on the thirty-five after the fifteen yard unsportsmanlike penalty gets tacked on.
The problem with calls like this, calls that can change the flow and momentum of a game, is that they are judgement calls. During the bowl games we were able to witness sets of bowl games where the officials were very "loose" with their interpretation of the rule and then another set where if a player's body language even hinted toward celebration it was called. I'm not too sure how this is going to go over. But we'll definitely get to see this upcoming season.
Keep running with the ball until you've crossed the goal line and you won't have to worry about "judgment calls".
That's all well and good when there's no one around you as in the Eddie Lacy touchdown in the Capital One Bowl or the idiot play our WR did in the I-Bowl against Colorado by diving into the endzone for obvious show. But I've watched plays in where a player has dove into the endzone and realistically if he didn't could have been prevented from scoring. But it was one of those "in between" type plays where you had to judge intent verses could the player have actually gotten there without resistance type scenarios and the guy gets flagged. It's those type of scenarios that I simply do not trust the SEC officials to get right. And trust me, if any conferences' referees are going to grossly screw up the intent and spirit of any rule its going to be the SEC officials.
I'm all about penalizing but when it comes to taking points off the board and seeing how precious each td is in the SEC. I don't want it to be put in the hands of SEC officials.
I'm all about penalizing but when it comes to taking points off the board and seeing how precious each td is in the SEC. I don't want it to be put in the hands of SEC officials.
Keep running with the ball until you've crossed the goal line and you won't have to worry about "judgment calls".
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I don't like this change either. They should be penalized 15 yards on the kickoff (or the point try if the coach chooses). But to take a TD away is a little silly.
Also, I don't think I like the 10 second runoff on a penalty either.
Also, I don't think I like the 10 second runoff on a penalty either.
I know this is coming down to which generation of football you prefer, but this somersaulting into end zones with no one around is a good example of why we're getting this. Yes the ref will make some lousy judgments over time, but there is not one enforceable rule that this is not true. Will this penalty happen often? Oh ya, these kids reflect the coaching or lack thereof. I was reminded of that when I saw the Ole Miss kid take the go ahead TD into the end zone against LSU with time running down, 15 yard penalty on kickoff and LSU starts at the 50 yard line. The rest is history. So after watching the refs throwing 15 yard penalties at players all year, this kid in nearly the last game of the season in hostile BR against their arch rival, decides to show the world, look at me, I can somersault. Stay tune.
It's so subjective. We better keep our heads straight and just run it in,then they can't take the points off the board. CNS won't stand for it,I think our players know this.
I don't like it increase the size of the penalty, throw that player out of the game, or make him sit a quarter if you have to but don't take points off the board. Just my 2 cents.
I'm in the same camp with those who are concerned about the "tweener" plays such as Buzzard describes. I agree there's no room for showboating... but I'm concerned about a game being put in the officials' hands in this manner. If the conference goes for this, I hope they keep it on a short leash and are open to revisiting the issue.
I'm with you. My first thought was that I'd prefer the celebration result in immediate expulsion from the game as opposed to removing points from the board.
Edit: Especially when you consider celebrations might be more likely to occur in big, close games, when such a penalty would have an impact...
At face value, I like the rule...the real test will be in the equality of the enforcment...which is where it will fall apart..
A bunch of Bravo Sierra. On top of the fact that they don't pay the kids, while they make millions of dollars off of them, now they can't have fun? Gimme a break. It's football. It's a GAME for crying out loud. Mark my words, just like the often used outside of its intent 'hitting a defenseless receiver' rule cost UGA the game against Okie St. to open the 09 season, this dumb rule is gonna cause someone the game the first week of the season.
As much as I try not to remember the Iron Bowl, the 1st quarter was euphoria for me. When Julio broke free on his TD reception, nobody was within 20 yards of him, but he extended the ball over the goal line. Guarantee you some idiot ref with an ax to grind will interpret something like that as showboating. There shouldn't be any gray areas when it comes to officiating. Nothing should be left to subjectivity. There's right and there's wrong.
As much as I try not to remember the Iron Bowl, the 1st quarter was euphoria for me. When Julio broke free on his TD reception, nobody was within 20 yards of him, but he extended the ball over the goal line. Guarantee you some idiot ref with an ax to grind will interpret something like that as showboating. There shouldn't be any gray areas when it comes to officiating. Nothing should be left to subjectivity. There's right and there's wrong.
I can promise that this rule will cost at least one team a game this upcoming season. I just hope it "ain't" us.
Absolutely spot on! I was thinking of a wide receiver catching a pass between defenders and while sprinting to the end zone holding up his hand in a number one gesture. That can be nothing more than an emotional reaction or excitement. But like you say...there's going to be some jerk official who perceives it as excessive celebration.
I think if they have to have a penalty for this violation that the opposing team should have the option of penalizing the violating team 15 yards on either the kick off or the extra point. To take a touchdown off the board is beyond believable to me. Totally 100% ridiculous.
And I also agree with your sentiment that's it's a game and the kids should be allowed to have fun. My goodness, the thing that makes college football the greatest game in the world is the EMOTION. Let them CELEBRATE.
I'll never forget A.J. Green making the catch against LSU to bring Georgia back and because he actually was ecstatic and the team was elated it cost them a penalty that ultimately cost them the game. All because.."In the judgement of the officials"....and there in lies the problem with this rule.
Let 'em play!!!!
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They can have fun once they've crossed the goal-line and the referee has blown the whistle.
As for subjectivity, what call isn't up to a referee's interpretation?
Holding? Referees in conferences that like to throw the ball around give a much greater amount of latitude than SEC officials when it comes to holding.
Pass interference? Remember the LSU game a few years ago? Their DB grabbed our WR, slung him to the ground and then intercepted the pass along the sideline.
There are very few calls that a referee makes that don't involve some amount of subjectivity.
Make it reviewable and mandate that the officials must come to a unanimous decision that the player was indeed showboating. It's not like it's going to slow the game down because the play will have resulted in a touchdown, stopping the clock anyway. The thrust of the rule is to stop the flagrant showboating during plays. Therefore, coaches will make a point of telling kids to keep a lid on it until the whistle blows. I guarantee that if a kid does it and causes their team to lose points, he won't do it again.
I think what makes it so bad is that the rule itself is geared to impact close, important games - games where celebration is most likely to occur, and games where, IMO, kids SHOULD celebrate.
There's more likely to be celebration if (A) it's a rivalry game, (B) it's a game with a lot of significance - conference championship, game to decide divisional title, etc., and/or (C) the TD will give the scoring team the lead or tie.
In other words, it's more likely to be relevant in controversial situations.
There's more likely to be celebration if (A) it's a rivalry game, (B) it's a game with a lot of significance - conference championship, game to decide divisional title, etc., and/or (C) the TD will give the scoring team the lead or tie.
In other words, it's more likely to be relevant in controversial situations.
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