Question: Homeschooling? Pro's/Cons and overall do you think the pro's outway the cons?

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I know these types of HS'ers they don't hang out with us either. We call them "Cocooners" they like to build little bubbles to shelter their family from the rest of the Universe. I hate it for their kids, I don't think their parents and doing them any favors. At some point they will have to deal with the real world and will be completely unprepared
I think that's the biggest thing to me. I mean, I'm the smartest dude I know...but I would never teach my kids. I couldn't do it. ;)

And having been in the real world, it's not all about brains anyway. Really, brains are a fairly small ingredient of the success cake. Unless you are in certain types of fields that absolutely require it.

Which brings up another thought. Intelligence, in my mind, can't be taught. Social skills can. Which is better in the long run?
 

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I think that's the biggest thing to me. I mean, I'm the smartest dude I know...but I would never teach my kids. I couldn't do it. ;)

And having been in the real world, it's not all about brains anyway. Really, brains are a fairly small ingredient of the success cake. Unless you are in certain types of fields that absolutely require it.

Which brings up another thought. Intelligence, in my mind, can't be taught. Social skills can. Which is better in the long run?
My wife has told me this thousands of times and I think she might be right. She says we are born with a natural level and capacity of intelligence, everybody's not being the same. She believes we can optimize the intelligence we are born with but a person born with average intelligence cannot work their way up to a higher level of intelligence. She says that is why she doesn't buy into the "Everybody can be anything they want if they work hard enough at it." She says she has never and will never tell one of her students "You can be anything you want to be if you try hard enough" because she says that simply isn't true.
 

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It's interesting to me that there hasn't been a study done of students whose parents who take as much of an active role in their child's education while sending the child to public school versus students of parents who home school.

I can guarantee you that if parental involvement were the same, the child attending an average public school would fare better. One such study was proposed when I was in college, but it was shot down.

I believe the difference between some home school students and some public school students is that parents who home school have to shoulder the responsibility and, as a result, they step up. Do that when your child is in public school and see what happens.
 

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I lived in Huntsville for a while and I think they had a pretty strong home school "association", not really sure what they did, however.

My biggest issue with home schooling is when they get into high school. I think I could home school my son through elementary school, teaching him all the basic stuff, if given proper guidance. However, after that the learning is a lot more specialized. My son is in ninth grade and is taking Honors Biology. Yesterday, they dissected a starfish. Even if I read a book, I would not understand how to do that or tell someone else how to do it. I took upper level math in high school but doubt I could teach someone pre calculus.
 

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Another major reason the public system is so bad is because in many cases the teacher can only teach to the level of the weakest link. This one good thing about the magnet program, there's not a "no child left behind" mentality. If they can't cut it in the magnet program they're gone and get put in the regular system. The rest of the class moves on at a progressive pace. But unfortunately that leaves the kids who aren't sharp enough to make it at the magnet program pace, but who are still smart kids, have to put up with the garbage the school system allows in. We can't save everybody folks.
 

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It's interesting to me that there hasn't been a study done of students whose parents who take as much of an active role in their child's education while sending the child to public school versus students of parents who home school.

I can guarantee you that if parental involvement were the same, the child attending an average public school would fare better. One such study was proposed when I was in college, but it was shot down.

I believe the difference between some home school students and some public school students is that parents who home school have to shoulder the responsibility and, as a result, they step up. Do that when your child is in public school and see what happens.
Now I do agree here with you. Homeschooling puts the responsibility on the parent. It requires the parent to be engaged in their child's academic setting, whereas in the public school setting parents do not engage as much or show as much interest. It is hard when both parents are working, other than helping a tad bit with homework, to have the time to get so involved. I know there is always the exception but most families, especially when both parents work, trust the public school system to work(alot of times have to rely on it), and as long the kid is making good grades do not question it.

If parents could put the same amount of involvement I think the product of would probably be greater. They would get double the reinforcement than either situation now.

I for one have no concerns with the social aspect of either because I feel as a parent we will stay involved enough to make sure social interaction is given and monitored so the negative can be dealt with. My concern with public school is the lack of quality education provided. Yes you can move to a specific district, but the goal of public schooling should be to provide the same opportunity to everyone no matter their demographic or location. It does not and so yes it does fail overall. People should not have to move to go to a better school if the system worked as intended. Hence why people do not anymore and go to private, charter, magnet, or homeschool as viable options.

Society is tough on the family structure today because of both parents working and even if homeschooling was preferred it might not be a viable option. I for one would rather see the public school system better addressed since I pay taxes for it, but it appears to not be a major concern for those in charge.
 

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Being a former highschool and college athlete I can answer this from one aspect of it. A non-athlete student for the most part can go to the li-berry after class and study, complete assignments and so forth. Where as most college athletes and HS athletes have to go after class and spend the rest of the afternoon training and practicing creating mental and physical fatigue. Then they have to go and complete the same assignments as the non-athletic student. It's tough. I remember not getting out of HS baseball practice until 6:45 pm and 7:00 pm then having to go home, shower, eat supper and begin doing my homework. Then it got worse in college. I remember having to schedule ALL of my classes in the morning then practice from 1:30 to 5:30 and sometimes 6:00 pm. Not counting having to get up at 5:00 am to either lift weights or run. However, the benefit of doing that was I learned how to handle more than one thing on my plate and still succeed. Without being in the comfort of my home with my parents near, dictating things for me. I always thought my 3.2-3.4 GPA was equal to the non-athlete's 4.0 GPA because I had a lot more on my plate and still made pretty good grades. But I'm a bit biased. :biggrin2:
Actually I believe the reason for the sliding scale is more of a demographic concern. Certian demographics expressed concern that the requirements were discriminating because test score were racially biased. They lower the standards to accomodate the concern. Studies have proven that students from certian social groups or income levels are not given the support or resources as others to successfully obtain the higher scores on the tests like the ACT or SAT. So the NCAA created a sliding scale and siad if the GPA is higher the test score can be lower or vice versa.

My issue with this instead of addressing the problem the approach was a band-aid fix to accomodate. The resources that were lacking was due to the failing public school system in a specific area. Fix that and the chances for success should improve. Still have the possible lack of family support.

BTW I lettered in 8 varsity sports during my four years in HS. My grades were always at their best during season because I knew if they were not it could affect my eligibility.
 

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Another major reason the public system is so bad is because in many cases the teacher can only teach to the level of the weakest link. This one good thing about the magnet program, there's not a "no child left behind" mentality. If they can't cut it in the magnet program they're gone and get put in the regular system. The rest of the class moves on at a progressive pace. But unfortunately that leaves the kids who aren't sharp enough to make it at the magnet program pace, but who are still smart kids, have to put up with the garbage the school system allows in. We can't save everybody folks.
Exactly why HS Co-ops are growing. Let the local schools determine what is needed. Get rid of the micromanagement from the state and federal levels. It is funny that the increase in homeschooling or alternatives have seen the largest increase since 1980. In 1980 the US Dept of Education opened its doors and determined established a national policy for education.
 

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Exactly why HS Co-ops are growing. Let the local schools determine what is needed. Get rid of the micromanagement from the state and federal levels. It is funny that the increase in homeschooling or alternatives have seen the largest increase since 1980. In 1980 the US Dept of Education opened its doors and determined established a national policy for education.
Oh yeah. I know. Before my wife started teaching in a magnet school she taught in a regular public school setting. She basically had to teach to the level of "Little Johnny" who cared nothing about school, who's parents cared nothing about Little Johnny's education yet she could not progress forward with the other students because it wouldn't be "fair" to Little Johnny. So for the sake of the one, the other's had to be subjected to intermediate level teaching which caused them to lose interest and they started becoming behavioral problems because they were bored. Once you start teaching to the weakest link it all goes down hill from there and in the words of Merle "Like a snowball headed for hell..."
 

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Actually I believe the reason for the sliding scale is more of a demographic concern. Certian demographics expressed concern that the requirements were discriminating because test score were racially biased. They lower the standards to accomodate the concern. Studies have proven that students from certian social groups or income levels are not given the support or resources as others to successfully obtain the higher scores on the tests like the ACT or SAT. So the NCAA created a sliding scale and siad if the GPA is higher the test score can be lower or vice versa.

My issue with this instead of addressing the problem the approach was a band-aid fix to accomodate. The resources that were lacking was due to the failing public school system in a specific area. Fix that and the chances for success should improve. Still have the possible lack of family support.

BTW I lettered in 8 varsity sports during my four years in HS. My grades were always at their best during season because I knew if they were not it could affect my eligibility.
Oh I understand why the scale is in place I was just explaining that a student who didn't participate in sports has more time on their hands to excel than a student that did. It's tough putting in hours worth of training and practice then having to hit the books. The body and mind is telling you "I WANT TO GO TO BED!!!" LOL!!!
 

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Oh yeah. I know. Before my wife started teaching in a magnet school she taught in a regular public school setting. She basically had to teach to the level of "Little Johnny" who cared nothing about school, who's parents cared nothing about Little Johnny's education yet she could not progress forward with the other students because it wouldn't be "fair" to Little Johnny. So for the sake of the one, the other's had to be subjected to intermediate level teaching which caused them to lose interest and they started becoming behavioral problems because they were bored. Once you start teaching to the weakest link it all goes down hill from there and in the words of Merle "Like a snowball headed for hell..."
You speak the truth and it's getting worse.