The Trayvon Martin Case

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

cbi1972 said:
You have a strange view of causation, bigotry, and murder if you reach that conclusion about this set of hypothetical facts.

I added in the things that we DO know. Namely, that he identified the boy as black when he called the police, and that he refused to comply with the police when they told him to back off. So, to him, race was important, and his decision to continue the "pursuit" when told to back off led to the death of an innocent boy. IMO, you have to stretch to come to a different conclusion.

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

Rasputin said:
Agenda...

No, I simply haven't put on my blinders to the existence of racism. Some folks seem to look for reason to remove it from the discussion.

Rasputin · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
No, I simply haven't put on my blinders to the existence of racism. Some folks seem to look for reason to remove it from the discussion.

And some look to add it to places it doesn't

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

Rasputin said:
And some look to add it to places it doesn't

Have you listened to the 911 call? He calls him a "curse word"ing coon when he started chasing him. He said, these xxxxxxx coons always get away. I am not looking for it - it is right there.

TheAccountant · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
Namely, that he identified the boy as black when he called the police, and that he refused to comply with the police when they told him to back off. So, to him, race was important, and his decision to continue the "pursuit" when told to back off led to the death of an innocent boy. IMO, you have to stretch to come to a different conclusion.

Just playing DA here.... how would you describe someone who was black to a dispatcher?

Bodhisattva · Mar 20, 2012

gmart74 said:
oh and btw. zimmerman is a hispanic guy, not a "white" guy. i know it makes the headlines a lot juicier but it is slightly different

It would have been awesome if he was a Jewish Korean and then watch the Sharptons of the world do their thing.

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

TheAccountant said:
Just playing DA here.... how would you describe someone who was black to a dispatcher?

not as a xxx coon.

cbi1972 · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
I added in the things that we DO know. Namely, that he identified the boy as black when he called the police, and that he refused to comply with the police when they told him to back off. So, to him, race was important, and his decision to continue the "pursuit" when told to back off led to the death of an innocent boy. IMO, you have to stretch to come to a different conclusion.

Skin color is used legitimately all the time in identification.

Judging by the 911 call, he did not "tell him to back off," rather he told him they "didn't need him to do that" when he said he was following him. Zimmerman mentioned "they always get away" so he probably has a history of police arriving too late to do anything.

We don't know what the proximate cause of the altercation was. Either one of them could be in the wrong there, or both of them.

rizolltizide · Mar 20, 2012

TheAccountant said:
Just playing DA here.... how would you describe someone who was black to a dispatcher?

Some dude with an afro eating fried chicken and watermelon?

I dunno, I'd probably just start out with "he's black".

Rasputin · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
not as a xxx coon.

In the recording he whispers XXX coon under his breath. It was night time and there very well may have been a raccoon in a garbage can in his neighborhood vandalizing unguarded citizens property. This is a common problem and one we need to bring to the public's attention, much like racism! :wink:

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

Rasputin said:
In the recording he whispers XXX coon under his breath. It was night time and there very well may have been a raccoon in a garbage can in his neighborhood vandalizing unguarded citizens property. This is a common problem and one we need to bring to the public's attention, much like racism! :wink:

LOL - I like the comedic relief on this board. Sometimes I get too serious. Thanks.

Rasputin · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
LOL - I like the comedic relief on this board. Sometimes I get too serious. Thanks.

Oh I'm not joking...don't try to derail my point with your arrogant laughter!

These Raccoon's MUST BE STOPPED!

swoop10 · Mar 20, 2012

Rasputin said:
Oh I'm not joking...don't try to derail my point with your arrogant laughter!

These Raccoon's MUST BE STOPPED!

Have you seen the comercial where the woman thinks she is letting in her cat but doesn't have on her glasses and lets in a raccoon. I would hate to see what happened to her.

bamanut_aj · Mar 20, 2012

Not a defense of the murder, but did the kid live in the community? If not, what was he doing there, walking around in the rain at night?

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

cbi1972 said:
Skin color is used legitimately all the time in identification.

Judging by the 911 call, he did not "tell him to back off," rather he told him they "didn't need him to do that" when he said he was following him. Zimmerman mentioned "they always get away" so he probably has a history of police arriving too late to do anything.

We don't know what the proximate cause of the altercation was. Either one of them could be in the wrong there, or both of them.

Yep, it could have played out this way. A 17 year old kid who weighs 150 lbs and was carrying a soft drink and pack of skittles (see here, no weapons) might have just attacked a 250 lb man in the dark, while running away and crying out for help. I guess anything is possible, however unlikely. But where would you place your money?

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

bamanut_aj said:
Not a defense of the murder, but did the kid live in the community? If not, what was he doing there, walking around in the rain at night?

He walked to the store, and was walking home.

bamanut_aj · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
He walked to the store, and was walking home.

ok, (and I don't have a context here since I've never seen the community) but if it's a gated community, they usually have one entrance. So did he LIVE in the community? Or was he cutting through people's yards to go home? Again, I'm not justifying anything....just looking for a little perspective.

SimplyTide · Mar 20, 2012

bamanut_aj said:
ok, (and I don't have a context here since I've never seen the community) but if it's a gated community, they usually have one entrance. So did he LIVE in the community? Or was he cutting through people's yards to go home? Again, I'm not justifying anything....just looking for a little perspective.

Up from Miami, he was visiting his father and had walked to the store to get candy for his brother and an iced tea for himself. It was raining, so he had his head covered with his hoodie. He was walking down the street, headed home.

bamanut_aj · Mar 20, 2012

SimplyTide said:
Up from Miami, he was visiting his father and had walked to the store to get candy for his brother and an iced tea for himself. It was raining, so he had his head covered with his hoodie. He was walking down the street, headed home.

so the idiot basically shot a kid that 'lived' in the neighborhood? Never bothered to ask the kid what he was doing. Or did, and didn't care. Nice.

92tide · Mar 20, 2012

bamanut_aj said:
Not a defense of the murder, but did the kid live in the community? If not, what was he doing there, walking around in the rain at night?

from what i understand his dad lived there.

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