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bamanut_aj said:
I don't think so. The Prez makes the call based on what he's being told. "Hey, Prez....we got him in our sights, we've practiced for this for years, we know we can do it" It isn't the fault of the Prez if they butcher the mission.
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Did you forget about Operation Eagle Claw and what happened at Desert 1?
We only thought that we might have OBL in our sights.
 
SavannahDare said:
Yes, they train and work closely together all the time. The SEALs just have a better PR guy this time around. :) Plus, they're just a whole lot cooler.
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I agree with you. But why is that? I always think bad arse cool when I thnk SEALs. When I think of Deltas, I just think bad arse dudes that you don;t hear much about. I wonder if they simply prefer to just "be" and the Navy publicizes the SEALs more to offset its perceived image of softness as it relates to the Army. Whatcha think, Doc?
 
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Bama_Dawg said:
But, seriously, I have a thought experiment for everyone. Imagine for a moment that the raid had gone horribly wrong, that we had failed to get OBL, and that we had lost the entire Seal Team 6. For those of you who now say the President deserves only tertiary credit for the mission, would you also have assigned him only tertiary blame?

My guess is you would have crucified him, and I would have agreed with you.

Which is why I disagree with you now.
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I would have been happy that he agreed to make the attempt to get him, wouldn't have blamed him personally if the attempt failed. :rolleye2:
 
MattinBama said:
I would have been happy that he agreed to make the attempt to get him, wouldn't have blamed him personally if the attempt failed. :rolleye2:
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I'll take y'all's word that you would have been so magnanimous. Still, I can see the Fox News headline:

"OBAMA'S BRAVE ATTEMPT TO KILL BIN LADEN BOTCHED BY SPECIAL FORCES"

;)
 
Bama_Dawg said:
Can’t we just celebrate blowing someone’s brains out in non-partisan harmony?

:)

But, seriously, I have a thought experiment for everyone. Imagine for a moment that the raid had gone horribly wrong, that we had failed to get OBL, and that we had lost the entire Seal Team 6. For those of you who now say the President deserves only tertiary credit for the mission, would you also have assigned him only tertiary blame?

My guess is you would have crucified him, and I would have agreed with you.

Which is why I disagree with you now.
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Of course, the blame would be George W's. Everything with the war is his fault.
 
Bama_Dawg said:
Can’t we just celebrate blowing someone’s brains out in non-partisan harmony?

:)

But, seriously, I have a thought experiment for everyone. Imagine for a moment that the raid had gone horribly wrong, that we had failed to get OBL, and that we had lost the entire Seal Team 6. For those of you who now say the President deserves only tertiary credit for the mission, would you also have assigned him only tertiary blame?

My guess is you would have crucified him, and I would have agreed with you.

Which is why I disagree with you now.
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I don't think this has gotten very partisan. People just don't like it when a supposed leader wants to take all of the credit when things go good but none of the blame when things go bad.

Here is another way to think about it. Who is one of the greatest leaders you know of? Since you are a Bama fan I will guess that Coach Bryant atleast comes to mind. Did you ever hear him say that he won a game or that the players or assistants lost that one? No, he never took credit for wins and always took the blame for a loss. Obama is one-hundred and eighty degrees from where CB stood. The man isn't a leader, he is an elitest who thinks he can do no wrong.

He made a call that almost every other person in his position would have made. The fact that we or you have to give him credit for making that decision tells me you had doubt he would make the right decision. Name the President that you don't think would have done the samething. The only one who I can think of might have been Carter.

Last, I don't think I would have blamed Obama had things gone wrong because he hasn't wrecked the military like Carter did, yet. Now if something happens if Obama gets re-elected then I might blame him. I'll have to wait and see what the millions in cuts does to the military before I can say.
 
bamanut_aj said:
I don't care who the Pres is/was....the POTUS did not "get" OBL and it's an insult to Team 6 to continue the whole BHO got OBL. How much skill, brains, training does it take to say 'yes', when asked 'do you want to take the shot"?
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You got that right. I am sick of hearing all the speeches with "I did" or "I made the decision". Has this guy ever heard of the "we" word?
Also, I don't read Time magazine bacause of all the left wing bias; same for the disgust on NBC News. I want them to report the news, not to invent or create their slant. Just give me the facts, and let me draw my own conclusions.
 
rizolltizide said:
I agree with you. But why is that? I always think bad arse cool when I thnk SEALs. When I think of Deltas, I just think bad arse dudes that you don;t hear much about. I wonder if they simply prefer to just "be" and the Navy publicizes the SEALs more to offset its perceived image of softness as it relates to the Army. Whatcha think, Doc?
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Deltas don't get publicity because they don't want it. Most would even deny they exist. SEALS are publicized and they are bad dudes but Deltas can hold their own with them. Both are at the same level IMO but the Army keeps Delta's out of the public eye. I would not want to tangle with either of them.

But if you want the best butt kicking guys it's the British SAS. Ask anyone who had serious contact with the SAS in Afgan.
 
swoop10 said:
People just don't like it when a supposed leader wants to take all of the credit when things go good but none of the blame when things go bad.
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Could you show me where Obama "took all the credit" for the mission? Here's how he addressed it at the State of the Union:

All that mattered that day was the mission. No one thought about politics. No one thought about themselves. One of the young men involved in the raid later told me that he didn’t deserve credit for the mission. It only succeeded, he said, because every single member of that unit did their job -- the pilot who landed the helicopter that spun out of control; the translator who kept others from entering the compound; the troops who separated the women and children from the fight; the SEALs who charged up the stairs. More than that, the mission only succeeded because every member of that unit trusted each other -- because you can’t charge up those stairs, into darkness and danger, unless you know that there’s somebody behind you, watching your back.

So it is with America. Each time I look at that flag, I’m reminded that our destiny is stitched together like those 50 stars and those 13 stripes. No one built this country on their own. This nation is great because we built it together. This nation is great because we worked as a team. This nation is great because we get each other’s backs. And if we hold fast to that truth, in this moment of trial, there is no challenge too great; no mission too hard. As long as we are joined in common purpose, as long as we maintain our common resolve, our journey moves forward, and our future is hopeful, and the state of our Union will always be strong.
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SavannahDare said:
Yes, they train and work closely together all the time. The SEALs just have a better PR guy this time around. :) Plus, they're just a whole lot cooler.
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Oh no you di'nt

RogueElephant said:
Deltas don't get publicity because they don't want it. Most would even deny they exist. SEALS are publicized and they are bad dudes but Deltas can hold their own with them. Both are at the same level IMO but the Army keeps Delta's out of the public eye. I would not want to tangle with either of them.

But if you want the best butt kicking guys it's the British SAS. Ask anyone who had serious contact with the SAS in Afgan.
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Blasphemy!

For real though, sometimes I wonder if there is some slight misinformation coming out of the Navy. What if Seal Team Seven actually carried out the raid? Or better yet, Seal Team 9.

And what if Delta Force is actually Alpha Force?

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RogueElephant said:
Deltas don't get publicity because they don't want it. Most would even deny they exist. SEALS are publicized and they are bad dudes but Deltas can hold their own with them. Both are at the same level IMO but the Army keeps Delta's out of the public eye. I would not want to tangle with either of them.

But if you want the best butt kicking guys it's the British SAS. Ask anyone who had serious contact with the SAS in Afgan.
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I always thought that Delta was made up of members from various forces. I could be wrong. You are correct about the British SAS and the Israeli special ops. Also, the baddest Americans are in the French Foreign Legion. Best bar fight I ever say was in Dubai when about 3 Seals got into a brawl with 3 Americans of the FFL. Those drunk dudes tore the place up and then laid there laughing their butts off drinking more beer then getting into it again over the tab.
Also, didn't several members of Team 6 not lose their lives a few weeks after the OBL raid in a Blackhawk shootdown?

Personally, I am glad the President is finally stepping up and taking responsibility for something. Now, if he would do the same with the unemployment situation, food stamp situation, the rising national debt, etc... Gas prices may do something that has never happened in my 40 years on this planet and that is come down during the summers months. What does that tell you about our economy?
 
swoop10 said:
I don't think this has gotten very partisan. People just don't like it when a supposed leader wants to take all of the credit when things go good but none of the blame when things go bad.

Last, I don't think I would have blamed Obama had things gone wrong because he hasn't wrecked the military like Carter did, yet. Now if something happens if Obama gets re-elected then I might blame him. I'll have to wait and see what the millions in cuts does to the military before I can say.
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Really! The republicans are running scared because a democrat had a foreign policy success.
IMO, you and most others on the right would have been all over him had this failed.:rolleyes:
Bottom line was this was a difficult decision, especially since there were many doubts within his administration and the intelligence community, that was executed almost flawlessly by our military (it was originally envisioned as a CIA operation).
 
Bamaro said:
Really! The republicans are running scared because a democrat had a foreign policy success.
IMO, you and most others on the right would have been all over him had this failed.:rolleyes:
Bottom line was this was a difficult decision, especially since there were many doubts within his administration and the intelligence community, that was executed almost flawlessly by our military (it was originally envisioned as a CIA operation).
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You can have any opinion you want but you know what they say about them. You don't know me and you don't know how I would feel. I have no reason to lie to you or anybody else about this or anything else. I don't know you so why would I care what you think. If I thought I would blame Obama I would say that because your opinion isn't going to change my life one way or the other.

Now name the President who wouldn't made the same decision, in your opinion. It wasn't nearlly as hard as you and others are making it out to be.
 
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