Regarding Auburn and Chizik...

[RandallPoffo]

what I love about all this is the hipocrisy if the Aubs. Two years ago they're flying their flags and going to games and wearing "family all in" buttons and now they're screaming for chiznip to be fired.

I guess once you're accepted into the fambly, you're only 'all in' as long as you win.

doesn't sound like a family to me - unless you mean a mob family.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

what I love about all this is the hipocrisy if the Aubs. Two years ago they're flying their flags and going to games and wearing "family all in" buttons and now they're screaming for chiznip to be fired.

I guess once you're accepted into the fambly, you're only 'all in' as long as you win.

doesn't sound like a family to me - unless you mean a mob family.

That's anywhere, ala Mike Shula.

 

[Bruce014]

On the ITAT boards the opinions are all over the map.

Some like CBP's on-field record and offense.

Others (who seem to understand football) remember Dye's (and Shug's) defenses and running game, and long for traditional football and discipline.

Wish list seems to be Strong, Patterson, Peterson, Solich, Rhoades, Schiano (sp?), Grobe, Paul Johnson, and occassional talk of Turner Gill.

Others want to keep Chizik and clean house.

Then, there's the mouth-breathing tinfoil hat crowd who blame Saban, the press, the devil -- you know the story.
They're like people Scully and Mulder would've interviewed.

But I do know I don't want them put on probation unless it's a Penn State-style demolition, which is what they deserve for buying Cam and paying off the SEC and NCAA.

If it's just a minor infraction it'll be an "us vs. them thing."

I prefer the Auburn fan base fractured and depressed

 

[Rasputin]

IMO, Auburn will test the waters and see if any of a few elite names are interested in the job. If they can't entice anyone, which I'm sure they won't, we will see Cheesenip on the sidelines once again next year.

 

[Rasputin]

That's anywhere, ala Mike Shula.

Who is that?:conf2:

 

[TideWatcher]

Surely,Petrino would be a mistake. Recruiting, staff, power struggle, etc.. I hope they get him, just to see the mess unfold. But I say Chizik is gone if they get embarrassed by Bama or A&M or Georgia. If they win one of those he might survive, but I doubt it. The Vandy loss sealed it.

 

[Bruce014]

Surely,Petrino would be a mistake. Recruiting, staff, power struggle, etc.. I hope they get him, just to see the mess unfold. But I say Chizik is gone if they get embarrassed by Bama or A&M or Georgia. If they win one of those he might survive, but I doubt it. The Vandy loss sealed it.

Auburn is going to get blown out of the water in the Iron Bowl.
Too many players remember 2010.

I'm not so sure about Georgia.
I can actual envision Auburn beating Georgia. I don;t know why.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Surely,Petrino would be a mistake. Recruiting, staff, power struggle, etc.. I hope they get him, just to see the mess unfold. But I say Chizik is gone if they get embarrassed by Bama or A&M or Georgia. If they win one of those he might survive, but I doubt it. The Vandy loss sealed it.

I don't know what his buyout is but according to some of the talking heads who have discussed it. His buyout isn't small. So this may play into the decision to keep him around one more year or not. But either way, aside from him signing another Cam Newton he's a dead man walking at Auburn.

 

[Rasputin]

I don't know what his buyout is but according to some of the talking heads who have discussed it. His buyout isn't small. So this may play into the decision to keep him around one more year or not. But either way, aside from him signing another Cam Newton he's a dead man walking at Auburn.

The number I have heard, not including all his assistants contracts, is around 7 million.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The number I have heard, not including all his assistants contracts, is around 7 million.

Wow. That is more than enough to force them to keep him around.

 

[Snuffy Smith]

Wow. That is more than enough to force them to keep him around.

Used to be pocket change for that bunch. Not so sure any more though.


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[Crimson Cat]

IMO, Auburn will test the waters and see if any of a few elite names are interested in the job. If they can't entice anyone, which I'm sure they won't, we will see Cheesenip on the sidelines once again next year.

I'm leaning towards this as well. Its my guess they are no doubt putting out feelers to Petrino and maybe someone else behind the scenes, because they know if they want Petrino, they're gonna have to get in line early. Baggage or not, he's one of the better available coaches out there, he needs a job, and I believe he'll be coaching college football again next year, somewhere.

But I'm also thinking the barn has some internal power struggles going on, and therein lies the bigger issue that may determine whether Chizik indeed gets fired at the end of the season, or if its just the assistants that get thrown under the bus.
They are going to suffer another backlash either way, unless they hire someone other than Petrino, because of the history there (both Petrino's recent history and Aubarn's).

And I agree this is far better than any probation the NZAA could have punished them with (although they deserve it). Their program and (highly paid) coaching staff is a national laughing stock right now.

 

[JeffAtlanta]

IMO, Auburn will test the waters and see if any of a few elite names are interested in the job. If they can't entice anyone, which I'm sure they won't, we will see Cheesenip on the sidelines once again next year.

I think this is exactly what will happen. If they can land a home run coach then they will find a way to fund the buyout - otherwise they will just see if the pool of available coaches improves the next year.

This is actually the way that every school should do it. Unless it's a Dubose situation, it makes no sense to bring in someone that you're probably going to have to fire in 3 years anyway.

 

[BigEasyTider]

I'm not even sure they're going to can Chizik at this point.

As much as I would love to see them retain Chizik for another season, I don't see that happening at this point. Barring a monumental upset, this team will finish 3-9 overall and 0-8 in the SEC, with many of its best players not returning for 2013 (Lutzenkirchen, Lemonier, Blake, Bates, and others). Can anyone really envision a scenario where they finish the year 3-9 by getting crushed by 'Bama in Tuscaloosa, as they almost assuredly will, and then bring Chizik back? I cannot see that all.

Now, we can make a lot of criticisms about Auburn, but if there is one thing they have made clear in the past fifteen years is that they have no issue summarily firing formerly successful head coaches on very short notice if things turn sour. Terry Bowden was canned less than four years after he started 20-0 at Auburn and less than nine months after he beat Alabama and took Auburn to Atlanta. Tommy Tuberville was fired one year after arguably the most successful run in Auburn football history and after beating 'Bama six straight times.

With the success that we are having (not to mention the strength of LSU, the relative rise of MSU, the influx of Texas A&M, and Ole Miss seemingly having found a decent replacement), I just cannot imagine that they would retain him. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Wow. That[seven million dollar buyout] is more than enough to force them to keep him around.

No, it's not.

Buyouts are structured over the remainder of the contract term, which means smaller payouts over a long-period of time. Moreover, future amounts owed under buyouts are off-set by any monies those coaches make in any future coaching employment, so in the end you get to pay out a relatively small amount of money over a long period of time (four or five years, typically). I imagine Auburn could can all of these guys and pay out no more than 2.5 million or so over the next five years.

Chizik may find a way to stay for another season, but it won't be the size of the buyout keeping him around.

 

[jthomas666]

Buying out Chizik and his coordinators would total about $9 million. They have enough wealthy donors to come up with the cash, but there is a larger issue. If they fire him after this season, not only are they firing a coach two years after a championship, but that will make 3 coaches in the past 20 years that they have fired after an undefeated season.

PR nightmares like that they just don't need.

 

[37bamagreats55]

I'll be beyond shocked if Chizik is back next year. He's in bad shape right now and he hasn't even been blown out by A&M, Georgia, and Alabama yet. There is no way they are keeping him around after an 0-8 SEC record.

I tend to agree with this sentiment.
0-8 in SEC play?
If that happens, how can they keep him?
Zero conference wins --- wow, just wow.

 

[PaulD]

I was listening to the OD this morning and del greco had a great one. "It's only his 6th year as a head coach, he is still learning." Now that is a good one there although it is coming from Al Del Greco who stated "no comment" when ask his opinion of the hiring of chiznik. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

So, like his team, he's "young"?

 

[ontopp]

"All the good work Chizik and his staff did in 2010, in running the table and winning the national championship, has come undone. On and off the field. The fan base he rallied so skillfully that season has turned against him, to the point that one Auburn booster said a quiet movement has begun behind the scenes to gauge and enlist support for Bobby Petrino as the next coach."



This come from and article from scarb so take it fo what its worth.

 

[gwilliams]

I'm going to go ahead and mention my take on the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Things weren't particularly sour with Bowden or Tubbs. Both just got on the wrong side of Lowder. I think Lowder and Dye knew they had to hire enough 'loose cannon' assistants to entice/buy MORE of the 4-5* recruits to commit to Auburn. They needed enough big time recruits to compete with Saban's recruitment. I think Tubbs wasn't so much against booster buying players (McGlover/HBO4), he just didn't want to be pushed around with respect to his assistants. Tubbs wouldn't go along with hires like Trooper and Luper, so they got them a coach who WOULD go along with the scheme. Since the hire of the current bunch, recruiting scandals have been a regular thing...from Cam, to street agents, to grade changing. They have (to date) apparently gotten away with these irregularities.


Hiring an internal coordinator doesn't appear to be an option. Loeffler is inept. Uncle Rico doesn't seem to be ALL-IN (re: Kicking Bolt out of meetings). Some smaller school head coach will risk the landscape for the money, and he'll probably go under in a few years. Eventually, Dye and Lowder will get so old, they'll have bigger worries than AU football. Once that happens, Auburn can truly start over.