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So you see another team rising up to Dynasty level?

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chanson78 said:
Count me in on the FSU train. Jimbo is doing good things, but Winston really is something crazy good. If anyone has a chance to pull off a dynasty (giving a two in a row NC a minor dynasty) in the near future its FSU in the next two years.
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FSU be on their way. It depends on if Florida can get its act together or not.
 
CajunCrimson said:
You won't have another dynasty ever......unfortunately, football as we know it is short-lived with probably less than 20 years left. Without getting into the politics of it....it's not the type of sport that will survive the changes we will experience.

Secondly, football is too big.....Coaches slowly have lost control, which makes what Coach is doing so much more impressive. The ability to stay on top of it long enough to become a dynasty, just won't be there.

Finally, the NFL will figure out that the College Pipeline isn't necessary (see the MLB and NBA for more details).....and will begin taking kids right out of High School, or will implement the one year rule. More Clowney and Manziel's will emerge....why risk injury in College ??

Enjoy the ride this may be the grande finale
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I disagree, especially about the NFL. Basketball and baseball allows for more individuality, despite them being team sports. I think football is different because it is the greatest team sport ever invented. The learning curve between H.S. and the NFL is just too steep for 99.9% of players to totally skip college ball, which is the equivalent of the farm leagues.
 
TommyMac said:
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Nah, we still have boxing and even worse, there's MMA, almost without rules.

At least in boxing they can only strike the head with a padded glove, in MMA almost anything goes, elbows, knees, feet, etc.

Comparitively speaking, CFB isn't brutal at all.
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Boxing and MMA are not team sports - not college sanctioned -- and don't start in "Pee Wee Leagues" -- not sure of the comparison to Football. All it takes are 100 Dozen Law Suits to pretty much put an end to all of it.....

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong -- but with the way the world is turning -- and the "social emotion" seeping into Football -- I just don't think it will survive.
 
BamaMoon said:
I disagree, especially about the NFL. Basketball and baseball allows for more individuality, despite them being team sports. I think football is different because it is the greatest team sport ever invented. The learning curve between H.S. and the NFL is just too steep for 99.9% of players to totally skip college ball, which is the equivalent of the farm leagues.
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I used to believe this way too.....but even if you pulled the top 100 kids from High School - each year -- that alone would kill any future Dynasties, wouldn't it? For Bama we'd be playing without about 40-50 of our kids.....
 
To go back to the original OP's question, we are no where close to another team rising to Bama's level.

3 out of 4 and the possibility of 4 out of 5 is mind boggling.

Until someone other than Bama wins a NC the argument is pretty baseless.

The last team not named Alabama to win a NC was the Barn. Obviously they were not on the verge of a dynasty (despite what they thought).

Closest thing we've seen in recent years is Florida who won 2 out of 3 under Meyer from 2006-08.

Next time someone gets 2 out of 3 is when we might see another team rising to dynasty level.
 
CajunCrimson said:
I used to believe this way too.....but even if you pulled the top 100 kids from High School - each year -- that alone would kill any future Dynasties, wouldn't it? For Bama we'd be playing without about 40-50 of our kids.....
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You really believe there are 100 H.S. kids that are prepared to skip college and get drafted right now? 100 who are more prepared than those who are in college right now?

I'd give you maybe 3-5 a year who might could, but I go back to the team dynamic of the NFL...especially everything outside of wide receivers. There is so much dependency on everybody working as a unit.
 
BamaMoon said:
You really believe there are 100 H.S. kids that are prepared to skip college and get drafted right now? 100 who are more prepared than those who are in college right now?

I'd give you maybe 3-5 a year who might could, but I go back to the team dynamic of the NFL...especially everything outside of wide receivers. There is so much dependency on everybody working as a unit.
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I think the NFL would pick off 20 from our team of Underclassmen right now -- starting with Yeldon, Henry, Tenpenny, Cooper, Black, OJ, Robert Foster, Reuben Foster, Jonathan Allen......etc....
 
CajunCrimson said:
I think the NFL would pick off 20 from our team of Underclassmen right now -- starting with Yeldon, Henry, Tenpenny, Cooper, Black, OJ, Robert Foster, Reuben Foster, Jonathan Allen......etc....
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You've got a right to that opinion, but if most of these guys can't crack the starting rotation at Bama right now, what makes you think that an NFL team would spend millions on them right now?

Not trying to be a jerk. Just wondering why you think they are ready for the NFL.
 
BamaMoon said:
You've got a right to that opinion, but if most of these guys can't crack the starting rotation at Bama right now, what makes you think that an NFL team would spend millions on them right now?

Not trying to be a jerk. Just wondering why you think they are ready for the NFL.
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If you are an NFL team and can start signing Free Agent contracts to kids out of High School -- wouldn't you rather have a TJ Yeldon on your Scout team vs the guy you have now? Just because Derrick Henry is a freshman and buried on the Depth Chart doesn't mean he's not highly coveted by the NFL -- that's the thing, if you can put 25 guys on a scout team -- multiply that times 32 teams -- that's 800 guys --

We have deviated WAY far from the original post -- but I think that the NFL at some point does decide to go after kids right out of High School -- and that alone kills the idea of any future College Football Dynasties.
 
CajunCrimson said:
If you are an NFL team and can start signing Free Agent contracts to kids out of High School -- wouldn't you rather have a TJ Yeldon on your Scout team vs the guy you have now? Just because Derrick Henry is a freshman and buried on the Depth Chart doesn't mean he's not highly coveted by the NFL -- that's the thing, if you can put 25 guys on a scout team -- multiply that times 32 teams -- that's 800 guys --

We have deviated WAY far from the original post -- but I think that the NFL at some point does decide to go after kids right out of High School -- and that alone kills the idea of any future College Football Dynasties.
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Supply and demand. If there's a demand, there will be a supply. The NFL has no concept on how to recreate college football. It doesn't exist and frankly, I'm not convinced it could ever be remotely close.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Supply and demand. If there's a demand, there will be a supply. The NFL has no concept on how to recreate college football. It doesn't exist and frankly, I'm not convinced it could ever be remotely close.
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College Football is about to recreate College Football if it successfully breaks away from the NCAA.....it will become smaller, more concise.....48 teams maybe -- maybe 60 --

Who will govern that.....? Especially if we start paying the kids -- it will by proxy be a Minor League for the NFL -- and wouldn't surprise me, if at some point they don't sponsor it....

More and more reasons to see no future dynasties develop....
 
CajunCrimson said:
College Football is about to recreate College Football if it successfully breaks away from the NCAA.....it will become smaller, more concise.....48 teams maybe -- maybe 60 --

Who will govern that.....? Especially if we start paying the kids -- it will by proxy be a Minor League for the NFL -- and wouldn't surprise me, if at some point they don't sponsor it....

More and more reasons to see no future dynasties develop....
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What you just described sounds like back to the future.

BAMA's championship schedule in 1978:
Nebraska
Missouri
Southern California
Vandy
Washington
Florida
Tennessee
Virginia Tech
Mississippi State
LSU
Auburn
Penn State (Sugar Bowl)

If we go back to playing the big boys, BAMA will be just fine.
 
TUSKtimes said:
What you just described sounds like back to the future.

BAMA's championship schedule in 1978:
Nebraska
Missouri
Southern California
Vandy
Washington
Florida
Tennessee
Virginia Tech
Mississippi State
LSU
Auburn
Penn State (Sugar Bowl)

If we go back to playing the big boys, BAMA will be just fine.
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I remember it so well! USC beat us but good at Legion Field, then Bama went on a 28 game win streak.
my hair was long then too.
 
I put this off but I'm just going to say it and be a homer fan. The only other program that can do this right now is Oregon. We already have a shadow dynasty of 4 lesser BCS bowls, the last two which we won. And our team hasn't slowed down or skipped a step. We're getting closer to winning the big game and I see us dominating the college football landscape for several years at least.
 
oregonbltzkrieg said:
I put this off but I'm just going to say it and be a homer fan. The only other program that can do this right now is Oregon. We already have a shadow dynasty of 4 lesser BCS bowls, the last two which we won. And our team hasn't slowed down or skipped a step. We're getting closer to winning the big game and I see us dominating the college football landscape for several years at least.
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I tried to google the expression, "shadow dynasty," It said, see LSU.
 
oregonbltzkrieg said:
I put this off but I'm just going to say it and be a homer fan. The only other program that can do this right now is Oregon. We already have a shadow dynasty of 4 lesser BCS bowls, the last two which we won. And our team hasn't slowed down or skipped a step. We're getting closer to winning the big game and I see us dominating the college football landscape for several years at least.
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Very interesting perspective. No doubt you all have a great team and are developing one of the better traditions of winning on the west coast.

However, you've got to win at least one NC to get into this discussion and really you need a second in the next year or so.

Ironically, it's the west coast that is your achilles heel. Most people don't understand the test that SEC teams get in the regular season and when the upper echelon teams pass that test they are ready for anybody in the BCSNCG.

When you all played Auburn in 2010, you arguably lost to one of the weakest teams to "pass that test" in the SEC's run.

Auburn was not a complete team, but did it with smoke and mirrors. Granted, they did it well that year, but you didn't face the best out of the last seven National Champions.

And I just don't know what to say about a "shadow dynasty." A bunch of teams could claim that.
 
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