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Now that this story is swinging the other way, I am not going to run out and buy Mr. Brown a halo quite yet. Usually when there are two sides of a story as opposed as we are seeing thus far, the truth lies in the middle somewhere. The cop was hot and unless he is emotionally unsuited for his work, someone did something to stimulate his emotions.

The source might not have been Brown and the officer probably over reacted but something set his hair on fire. CNS seemed to think Brown had a lesson to learn from this. At the least, that would be learning the phrase, "Yes sir, I am leaving now." It takes two to tango right? Bottom line ... I am going to let my coins ride on "don't rush to judgement" for one more roll of the dice.
 

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Leeroy, I respect your post and thank you for your service as a Marine. My IQ withstanding, I will tell you this, I am damn proud of my Marine but as a concerned parent I wish my son were a POG! stupid term or not, you know what it means, and I would much rather him be a damn POG than be sent home in a flag draped box because he had to carry out some stupid a#$ mission in the sand box for no reason. Take someone like that with the training/brainwashing and deployments he's had and put him in the brown situation. You tell me what you think would happen? But if I could talk to him right now, Im sure he would tell you Semper Fi.
I wasn't going to post on TF any longer...my reasons. But, I still lurk and see this. First let me point out... someone's IQ is questionable for even posting this. Having served in the United States Marine Corps, I would like the poster to know, a great percentage of the Marine Corps are not 03s and are indeed people other than grunts, or as you called them, P.O.G. (stupid term btw). They are also the reason 0331 Marines and their like can even function. Without them, there is no Corps. Second, I know/knew quite a few Recon Marines in my day and they would make outstanding police officers, teachers, fireman, or any other profession they chose. Saying they can't function beyond the Marines Corps in real world situations is selling them way short. Tell your son this 03 then later POG said Semper Fi.

Lurking once again...


Roll Tide
 
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Now that this story is swinging the other way, I am not going to run out and buy Mr. Brown a halo quite yet. Usually when there are two sides of a story as opposed as we are seeing thus far, the truth lies in the middle somewhere. The cop was hot and unless he is emotionally unsuited for his work, someone did something to stimulate his emotions.

The source might not have been Brown and the officer probably over reacted but something set his hair on fire. CNS seemed to think Brown had a lesson to learn from this. At the least, that would be learning the phrase, "Yes sir, I am leaving now." It takes two to tango right? Bottom line ... I am going to let my coins ride on "don't rush to judgement" for one more roll of the dice.
Not sure that Brown did anything "wrong", but he needs to better understand the risk that he took. He should be forced to listen to the song "American Skin" for a week straight. Young people don't get it - the police have all of the power (even in a crowd) and being right isn't going to save your life if a police officer feels threatened and decides to shoot.

Lena gets her son ready for school
She says "on these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules.
If an officer stops you
Promise me you'll always be polite,
that you'll never ever run away,
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret
It ain't no secret
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in
Your American skin
 

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On the subject of police over militerization, I believe the Government and millitary training do play a roll but I think the biggest trigger factor is the war on drugs. Back in the late 70's when the drug gangs started arming themselves and acting like an army the cops had to match that. they would train for the worst case. When a cop (or anyone) is under stress they naturally fall back to that training. I believe that is how we sometimes have cops over reacting to some situations. I don't know if there is an easy answer because if he cop is too easy going he may get caught flat footed and die. If he's too heavy handed innocent people may get injured or die by his hand. The one thing I do know is that if everyone would quit taking drugs all these problems would go away. I've heard addicts say it's their choice, but their choices are destroying our country faster than the crooked politicians
 

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The cop was hot and unless he is emotionally unsuited for his work, someone did something to stimulate his emotions...

The source might not have been Brown and the officer probably over reacted but something set his hair on fire. CNS seemed to think Brown had a lesson to learn from this. At the least, that would be learning the phrase, "Yes sir, I am leaving now." It takes two to tango right? Bottom line ... I am going to let my coins ride on "don't rush to judgement" for one more roll of the dice.
Let's review what you said. The cop lost his cool, and unless he's emotionally unsuited for his job, he had to have had good reason to loose his cool. Then you allude to the two to tango, and you're right, it takes two people for a cop to pepper spray someone other than himself.

What could justify what apparently happened? Back talking? Nope, a hidden weapon? A direct verbal threat? That's about it. Unless Tony did something quite specific, to threaten the police officer, his actions were 100% unwarranted and unjustifiable, and it doesn't matter if Tony said something about the guy's mother. By all appearances yes, the police officer was emotionally unsuited for his work, because following a guy around yelling at him, then pepper spraying him, then once he was on the ground waving your gun around is exactly how a nutjob acts. It just so happens we live in a society that tolerates this kind of behavior from certain people in authority. We put nutjobs in powerful positions and sadly nutjobs seek those positions out.

I'm particularly annoyed by your assertion that Tony just had to have said the wrong thing, and the two to tango line. So what if he didn't say sir, so what if he mouthed off? That somehow warrants being violently assaulted? Are you serious? This abuse of authority tolerance we have is sickening, and let's analyze it from another perspective. Let's say you have a kindergarten teacher, and one of her students is just a foul mouthed little brat. If the teacher suddenly lost their cool, whipped out the pepper spray, and starts abusing the child, would you roll out the two to tango, didn't say sir talk? No, of course not, because we understand how severe the abuse of authority is when an adult becomes violent with a child.

But, in this instance it was just a teenager, and a police officer armed with various weapons, so then it becomes something we might defend. Hey, Tony might have had a smart mouth on him, he might have deserved it... no, unless Tony did something violent, or threatened something violent, he did not deserve it! Abuse of authority is intolerable, and whether it's coming from the TSA, the principle of a school, a police officer, a congressman, whomever, authority is the side that has to be held to the higher standard! That's what upsets me so much with the defense of this sort of thing. Tony is not empowered by the state, Tony is not in a position of authority, if anything, it's the police officer that should go around being polite, and saying sir, and bending over backwards to serve, which is in fact their job. It's become backwards when we expect civilians to walk on tiptoes around hair trigger police officers, that's despicable.
 
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Let's review what you said...I'm particularly annoyed by your assertion that Tony blah blah blah ...
Sure, let's review what I said ... "(...someone did something to stimulate his emotions. The source might not have been Brown and the officer probably over reacted but something set his hair on fire....)"

And this time read closely enough to understand that I said whatever set the cop off might not have been Brown's doing. I did not assert, imply or even suggest that Tony did anything wrong, only that something made the cop angry, I made no judgement about what it might have been, good/bad, justified/not. All I said, is I did not originally rush to judge Tony ... when some were ... and I am not rushing to judge the cop now ... like you seem to be. Maybe you should be particularly annoyed with yourself. Reading is fundamental.
 

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Sure, let's review what I said ... "(...someone did something to stimulate his emotions. The source might not have been Brown and the officer probably over reacted but something set his hair on fire....)"
I guess you're still not getting my point. I don't care what set the cop off, unless Tony specifically did something threatening, what he did was 100% unacceptable, period, end of story. A man who comes home mad might have a good reason to be mad, but that doesn't mean he has a good reason to beat his wife.
 

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I guess you're still not getting my point. I don't care what set the cop off, unless Tony specifically did something threatening, what he did was 100% unacceptable, period, end of story. A man who comes home mad might have a good reason to be mad, but that doesn't mean he has a good reason to beat his wife.
I understand your point and I don't disagree ... made no statement otherwise, no judgement one way or another. What I am also getting is that you are misreading and misquoting what I wrote, then ranting on it ... tilting at windmills ... This is degrading into Admin-bait so let's leave it here.
 

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I don't know the details of the situation. I do believe that if you stay in the background with a closed mouth nothing will happen to you.
 

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Here's a hard hitting article about Brown's arrest from al.com :

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/01/ua_baller_or_not_just_tell_you.html


It became even scarier after AL.com reporter Michael Casagrande interviewed multiple witnesses to the Brown arrest who gave completely different accounts of the incident. They described aggressive and unnamed police officers who followed Brown, taunted him, sprayed him and took him downtown.
The writer is upset because the Tuscaloosa Police Dept. will not release any information about the arrest. He goes on to cite a prior problem with the Tuscaloosa Police that was mentioned by yours truly here several days ago:

There was another memorable incident a few years back that might have been a wakeup call. Alabama star Rashad Johnson got popped for disorderly conduct, a charge that was later dismissed with no fine or court costs after he agreed to perform some community service.

Johnson's defense had claimed that multiple videotapes of that incident simply did not show what Tuscaloosa Police claimed happened.
I distinctly remember seeing the photos of the barner tag on the Tuscaloosa Police car used by the cop that arrested Rashad. Archibald left that out in his column.

The bottom line to me...we seem to have a problem with some of the police in Tuscaloosa.
 

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I don't know the details of the situation. I do believe that if you stay in the background with a closed mouth nothing will happen to you.
Well, isn't part of the problem the fact that the TPD won't release the arrest report. These documents are supposed to be available to media and the general public on request. I still think something smells about this part of the case.
 

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I don't know the details of the situation. I do believe that if you stay in the background with a closed mouth nothing will happen to you.
This should be irrelevant. Our interaction with people that we put in positions of power should not require we quietly hide in the back when they're around. They are there to do us a service, they are being paid by us, and their actions should be a benefit to us.

The facts of this case seem to indicate an abusive individual, who clearly crossed the line, and things like this should not be taken quietly. We should never be afraid to confront people we put in positions of authority, when they are clearly not doing their job properly. I find it an absurd sort of logic that says when authority is abused, just try to avoid detection from said authority. How is that a resolution?
 

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