Link: D.J. Pettway story of returning to Alabama.

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That's about as gut-wrenching an article on Alabama football as I have ever read. I'm glad I read it, but it sure was hard.
 

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As my first (and possibly only) post to this board, I'd like to say that I am extremely disappointed in the Alabama coaching staff for allowing Pettway back on campus, much less back on the team. It's a terrible decision. He and his friends (and notice that the article only says that Jergens doesn't think Pettway had a part in beating him up) assaulted another person, and came close to beating him to death. Oh, he was exiled to the prison planet of Scooba? Boo hoo. If he threw even one punch, held Jergens down, grabbed his backpack, or even knew what was happening without calling the police (and we know he's guilty of that much), he should be in JAIL. He participated in nearly beating another student to death. There would be legal consequences for any other UA student who did that to another student. Football players should be held to AT LEAST the same standard.

He's not a "dumb kid". He's not a "young man who made an unfortunate mistake."

He's an adult who 1) was at least present while someone was being beaten to the point of death, 2) never tried to stop it or help in any way, and 3) had to be caught later.

His current remorse is meaningless.

P.S.: Hi. I'm a lifelong fan of the Capstone, and I got my Master's degree there. I have no hidden agenda. I'm just absolutely sick about this situation. Saban made the wrong decision here.
 
Well, it's still tough. I don't know if I would have allowed any of them back. Jernigans forgave him though. That should be good enoufh for me. If that was my child, I just don't know how I would feel. Still, if you are God fearing you are suppose to forgive regardless. Like I said though, it's tough. I'm not going to through the football curve in because this didn't happen on the field. DJ was a good student at Catholic. That's why it was all surprising to me.
 
As my first (and possibly only) post to this board, I'd like to say that I am extremely disappointed in the Alabama coaching staff for allowing Pettway back on campus, much less back on the team. It's a terrible decision. He and his friends (and notice that the article only says that Jergens doesn't think Pettway had a part in beating him up) assaulted another person, and came close to beating him to death. Oh, he was exiled to the prison planet of Scooba? Boo hoo. If he threw even one punch, held Jergens down, grabbed his backpack, or even knew what was happening without calling the police (and we know he's guilty of that much), he should be in JAIL. He participated in nearly beating another student to death. There would be legal consequences for any other UA student who did that to another student. Football players should be held to AT LEAST the same standard.

He's not a "dumb kid". He's not a "young man who made an unfortunate mistake."

He's an adult who 1) was at least present while someone was being beaten to the point of death, 2) never tried to stop it or help in any way, and 3) had to be caught later.

His current remorse is meaningless.

P.S.: Hi. I'm a lifelong fan of the Capstone, and I got my Master's degree there. I have no hidden agenda. I'm just absolutely sick about this situation. Saban made the wrong decision here.
How do we know if Saban made a bad choice? Has he done anything else that we don't know about?
 

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Is this DJ's only past transgression? I think I remember reading that it was. The other three all had other run ins with the law either before or after this incident. If this was DJ only transgression I feel his second chance is warranted. It's kinda hard to understand how remorseful and sorry DJ actually was considering he was back the next year though. Then again, as I stated above, I think almost everyone deserves a second chance..
 
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As my first (and possibly only) post to this board, I'd like to say that I am extremely disappointed in the Alabama coaching staff for allowing Pettway back on campus, much less back on the team. It's a terrible decision. He and his friends (and notice that the article only says that Jergens doesn't think Pettway had a part in beating him up) assaulted another person, and came close to beating him to death. Oh, he was exiled to the prison planet of Scooba? Boo hoo. If he threw even one punch, held Jergens down, grabbed his backpack, or even knew what was happening without calling the police (and we know he's guilty of that much), he should be in JAIL. He participated in nearly beating another student to death. There would be legal consequences for any other UA student who did that to another student. Football players should be held to AT LEAST the same standard.

He's not a "dumb kid". He's not a "young man who made an unfortunate mistake."

He's an adult who 1) was at least present while someone was being beaten to the point of death, 2) never tried to stop it or help in any way, and 3) had to be caught later.

His current remorse is meaningless.

P.S.: Hi. I'm a lifelong fan of the Capstone, and I got my Master's degree there. I have no hidden agenda. I'm just absolutely sick about this situation. Saban made the wrong decision here.
I'm not arguing anything you said, except what I have in bold. His remorse, if indeed genuine, is not meaningless. I thank God for it in him and others who have, hopefully, realized what they did was reprehensible and now want to get it right going forward. Major kudos to the young man for accepting Pettway's remorse and forgiving him. Tough thing to do in a situation like this.
 

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What happened to those men that night was tragic and i feel for both of them. All four of them deserved to be kicked off the team. I don't see no issue with Pettaway returning back to the team. Its not about what how we feel, we just have to realize that We will never know how DJ felt that night, we will never know what Pettaway and Coaches went through during the process. Coach Saban and the staff along with the university knows their issues and they handled the situation as best as they could. We just need to respect the process and be glad they all got a second chance at life... We just have to hope that they learned from this process and try to be a better man going forth from this.

As my first (and possibly only) post to this board, I'd like to say that I am extremely disappointed in the Alabama coaching staff for allowing Pettway back on campus, much less back on the team. It's a terrible decision. He and his friends (and notice that the article only says that Jergens doesn't think Pettway had a part in beating him up) assaulted another person, and came close to beating him to death. Oh, he was exiled to the prison planet of Scooba? Boo hoo. If he threw even one punch, held Jergens down, grabbed his backpack, or even knew what was happening without calling the police (and we know he's guilty of that much), he should be in JAIL. He participated in nearly beating another student to death. There would be legal consequences for any other UA student who did that to another student. Football players should be held to AT LEAST the same standard.

He's not a "dumb kid". He's not a "young man who made an unfortunate mistake."

He's an adult who 1) was at least present while someone was being beaten to the point of death, 2) never tried to stop it or help in any way, and 3) had to be caught later.

His current remorse is meaningless.

P.S.: Hi. I'm a lifelong fan of the Capstone, and I got my Master's degree there. I have no hidden agenda. I'm just absolutely sick about this situation. Saban made the wrong decision here.
 

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Is this DJ's only past transgression? I think I remember reading that it was. The other three all had other run ins with the law either before or after this incident. If this was DJ only transgression I feel his second chance is warranted. It's kinda hard to understand how remorseful and sorry DJ actually was considering he was back the next year though. Then again, as I stated above, I think almost everyone deserves a second chance..
Definitely true. We all need second chances in life.
 

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If the facts presented in the article are accurate, I don't understand why Pettway is on the campus, much less the team. If he's a thug, he should play for the Boogs or Vols, but not for Bama.

"His current remorse is meaningless" to whether or not he should be here. Of course we're glad Pettway recognizes his error, but he shouldn't be here.
 
If the facts presented in the article are accurate, I don't understand why Pettway is on the campus, much less the team. If he's a thug, he should play for the Boogs or Vols, but not for Bama.

"His current remorse is meaningless" to whether or not he should be here. Of course we're glad Pettway recognizes his error, but he shouldn't be here.
Where should he be? I'm glad he was given a second chance. I didn't know one bad episode made you a thug.
 

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I hope this is not going to be one of those threads where everyone is compliaining about DJ Pettaway.. This is sensitive matter... we need to support him whether we like it or not. What happened in the past, is already done. He's back on the team, and he's making the most of it. I wish Espn hasn't done this story especially in the middle of the season.
 

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Where should he be? I'm glad he was given a second chance. I didn't know one bad episode made you a thug.
So you're saying beating a man until you have to kick him to see if he's dead is not being a thug? C'mon ...

Where should he be ... Florida State, Auburn, Tennessee
 

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First off, let me make this clear. I know what it's like to get the crap beat out of me by more than one person. In particular, one time I was stomped, and along with the obligatory black eye, I had sneaker marks all over me. It was kind of interesting, you could see the treads of the shoes on my face and shoulders. I've been hit by a 2X4, I've been sucker punched, etc... but this was distinctly different. The blows were kind of interesting, muffled somehow, it stood in contrast to other situations because I'd had blows rain down on me before, but not like that. I didn't really make out what was being said, I wasn't even sure exactly who had kicked me and who hadn't.

It didn't cause any perceptible change in my behavior, other than my brother didn't want me playing basketball for a while (I finally snuck away to play a few months later). So, while I can relate to a severe beating, I can't relate fully to the psychological fallout (although I did feel betrayed).

Having said that, I've also been on the other side a bit. When I was a teenager I started hanging out with one of my older brother's friends, a complete lunatic, and he was perpetually doing stupid and dangerous things. My hanging out with him was a part of my destructive behavior, which included almost being shot by him when he was drunk/pill popping/eating shrooms. He once went around scouting houses on a Sunday morning out in the country, talking about breaking into one (which could have easily ended with a shotgun blast to his gut, or mine should I have joined him). I don't know what all he did when I wasn't around, he talked about lots of stuff. The crimes he did when I was around, while some would be felonies, typically involved some sort of substance, speeding, that sort of thing. Almost shooting me aside, the most harmful thing I saw him do, was steal a hubcap.

I'm not defending my actions, nor am I defending his. But! This is important, I'm not someone who ever made a habit of harming others. I didn't try to hurt others, I don't believe I've ever done serious harm to another, I don't even like to go hunting, or to kill a bug. If I had continued to hang out with him, there's no telling what incredibly stupid idea he might have gotten into his head. What kind of harm he might have done to someone else, be it overtly maliciousness or just recklessness. Would that be my fault? Sure, partly, but he's responsible for his actions in the same way I'm responsible for mine.

I never bought the idea of charging the guy sitting in the car with murder. I never really got the notion that simply being present makes you as guilty as the other parties. That's illogical. Sure, you shouldn't be there, sure, you should have stopped it, but have you ever tried to stop a friend from doing something stupid? Have you ever refused when you're out numbered? I had someone threaten to kill me because of a refusal. At another time, over a disagreement (I was accused of being a member of the NAACP for my position on the matter), they threatened to drop me off in the middle of nowhere. This isn't to defend the actions or the consequences, but I do not believe it's fair or rational to treat everyone present as equal participants. That's not how things happen, and it's extremely rare that all actually equally share blame.

So, in terms of the Pettway incident, I haven't seen anything to indicate he was actually guilty of participating. I seriously doubt Alabama would have invited him back if they believed that to be the case. Was he there? Yeah, but from what I've followed of the case, he was treated different from the two attackers and I have no reason to believe this was for any other reason than he conducted himself differently. May be I'm wrong, I don't know, if someone can produce evidence that Pettway was an attacker then I'd argue he might have gotten off too lightly. But, from what I know right now, his crime was that of going along with what other people were doing, which is wrong, which is serious yes, but does not involve an actual act of aggression against another.

In short, I trust Saban on this. He let Pettway back for a reason, and if Pettway's role was as a bystander, than I can certainly understand that. Can anyone refute that? It appears to me that a decent kid might have made a mistake of hanging out with the wrong people. If that is the case, I can certainly see the grounds for forgiveness.
 
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After reading what the victim went through I'm not sure how I feel. But either way it is a good read.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...y-returns-alabama-crimson-tide-dismissal-team
I feel bad for Samuel Jergens and hope he can deal with the scars and heal.

As for Pettway, I've read nothing since this happened that detail exactly what his role in all this was. I can only assume that the people involved, like Coach Saban, having more information made a good decision for all concerned.
 

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Guys, I posted the article because it is "out there" on the front page of the college section of ESPN.com. Granted, there are some things in the article that I'm struggling with but we will not stoop to name calling. First and final warning.
 

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Doing it is another thing. Seeing being done, now that's a different thing altogether. Not saying it was great but he didn't do the beating. He deserved a second chance.
So we don't know what part DJ took. If he was there and did nothing to stop it, my position is that he should be history at UA. He's big enough to stop this wrong doing. I don't know all the particulars and hopefully there's information we don't know that is in DJ's favor. I said in my original post, if the facts are as they are presented in the article are correct, he should not be at UA. I can forgive a guy, fine, but I wouldn't expect to be at the University if I was guilty of this crime as portrayed in the article.
 
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