City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons
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Your utter disdain for all things Christian noted, I wouldn't call my faith repressed at this time. But for the last half-century, there has been action after action, via courts or otherwise, that is slowly whittling away opportunities to express my faith freely, in various venues. So I'm OK, for now. But I can't ignore that this country has gone from a populace that was mostly God-fearing, to one that is mostly God-ignoring. And it has been reflected through our courts, laws, opinions of leaders, academia, etc, and that's just in the past 50-100 years. The foundations are crumbling. How many links and citations do you need? But I know you'll just dismissively wave your hand, sneer and say "You poor repressed Christians." Liberties disappear in one of two ways. Immediately, with a hostile takeover by a dictator or some-such character. Or, they erode, little by little, as the morals of a country and culture disintegrate. Ask the Romans.
please start another thread and I will happily address the loss of privilege that you call repression.
you (the royal you) are still free to express your faith freely as am i. saying that the foundations are crumbling, implies that our country was founded based on religion, which, thankfully, it wasn't.
Shockingly, the point flew so fast over the heads of the both of ya's, that surely you felt those G-forces. The motion sickness will wear off in a few moments.
no, i completely understand what you are saying. i do not agree with it.
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to those that liked this, what point is actually being made here? No one on this thread claimed we were being oppressed by Christians and I never claimed it, ever, anywhere. Really out of left field here GMart. And by the way I fervently hope you and all the other repressed majority never experience real repression.
I didn't say "Christian", I said God-fearing. A simple inference would lead one to believe that if you are God-fearing, you hopefully have a strong moral make-up, would display superior character, and sound integrity. I believe that describes most of our founding fathers. And I don't think that describes most of our current leadership, and it continues to get worse, no matter the party in charge. Erosion. That was my larger point. But if you want, read about halfway through what a guy says, latch onto one quote, and run with that. Fine by me. And yes, disagreeing with guys with me is your right, your freedom, your liberty... Isn't that great? I think so. But the evidence is that tolerance of Christian folk and their beliefs is slowly going the way of the dodo. And some folks either have their heads in the sand, or simply don't care. I take it you're the latter. If in my lifetime, if one day "having church" is no longer allowed where the gospel is preached, or I can't even have a home bible study, you best believe I will break that law. This is already a reality in other parts of the globe. People are dying in those places. It may not happen in my lifetime, but who's to say it will not eventually happen, with the way the political and religious climates are heading in this country? Moral "walls" are being torn down each and every year. It's a shame. And I didn't say I was being repressed, so kudos on your Monty Python and pie charts that are irrelevant to what I said. I said not "at this time", and I'm OK "for now". Thought I bolded that. What I am talking about has not happened yet. But with all of the clouds having gathered for a while, a storm's coming. One day. Whether the founding fathers were all God-fearing, and -believing, I dunno. But I don't think they envisioned a day when there was so much God-hate here. I really don't. It's OK that we disagree. At the moment, it's a free country. I'm gonna go shoot some fireworks, or sumpin'.
I'm new to the discussion, but please explain how this pie chart has anything to do with whether or not a Christian's rights to practice their faith is or isn't being repressed? Best I can tell it has nothing to do with it. Rather, it simply depicts a percentage of people that subscribe to the Chrisitan faith as opposed to Islam, Jewish, Non-Religious, etc.
My question is why the left wages such an attack on Christianity and the concept of it's fundamentals, but won't so much as touch the very same concepts in Islam? Not a peep. Is it because they fear Islam and a host of extremists over here cutting THEIR heads off?
Agreed, the left is far too passive with Islam because of their very justified fear of retaliation.
the pie chart? It simply points out that a massive majority of the people in this country identify as Christians and that it is extremely funny to me to see such a large majority try to claim to be a victim of oppression/repression.
Now, I will ask show me any example of a single Christian losing their right to practice their faith in the US. As an added challenge I will ask only that stories from Todd Starnes, known and proven liar for the cause (ain't that just sooo Christian?) be excluded from your examples and this includes stories from WND and other far right sources that "are reporting that Todd Starnes from Fox is reporting" because that is the same source of lies that I have excluded from the debate. Line em up and show us.
and yet, reading your entire post (which i did with the earlier one, btw) shows that your fear/expectation of "erosion" is based in large part on your misunderstanding of the founding of our country (that god-fearing is the foundation of morality, integrity, and character) along with an active imagination of bad things that might happen to you in the future (despite everything being ok "at this time" or "for now").
ironically, our country is more "free" now than it was at time of our founding.
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