Cecil the lion

[TIDE-HSV]

I didn't know that lions were "native" to all of Africa.

They used to be native to all of Africa and the Middle East...

 

[dayhiker]

Earle, you might enjoy reading some of Jack Turner's books. "Teewinot," and "Abstract Wild," are the two that I have read.

 

[Jon]

I didn't know that lions were "native" to all of Africa.

that is also against all lion deaths globally, couldn't find more specific regional numbers. So the 70 includes a circus lion killing a clown in russia (if thats ever happened) but if you want to reduce it farther. Population of Zimbabwe (14,150,000) divided by all worldwide average human deaths by lion (70) and you still have minuscule odds so I'll say it again. "painting lions as a serious risk to the [African]Zimbabwean population as a whole is ludicrous"

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Earle, you might enjoy reading some of Jack Turner's books. "Teewinot," and "Abstract Wild," are the two that I have read.

I'll take a look...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

that is also against all lion deaths globally, couldn't find more specific regional numbers. So the 70 includes a circus lion killing a clown in russia (if thats ever happened) but if you want to reduce it farther. Population of Zimbabwe (14,150,000) divided by all worldwide average human deaths by lion (70) and you still have minuscule odds so I'll say it again. "painting lions as a serious risk to the [African]Zimbabwean population as a whole is ludicrous"

Of course, since the lions have basically been killed off, except for those in the preserves, the population most at risk are the ones living right around the preserves. Hell, over there, people wanting land have even moved into the preserves...

 

[dayhiker]

I'll take a look...

He's kind of extreme, but I enjoyed the books, especially, "Teewinot."

 

[mittman]

that is also against all lion deaths globally, couldn't find more specific regional numbers. So the 70 includes a circus lion killing a clown in russia (if thats ever happened) but if you want to reduce it farther. Population of Zimbabwe (14,150,000) divided by all worldwide average human deaths by lion (70) and you still have minuscule odds so I'll say it again. "painting lions as a serious risk to the [African]Zimbabwean population as a whole is ludicrous"

At this point that is mostly true. However, if you had the experience of the Zimbabwean guy in the article, you would probably have his same perspective.

 

[Crimson1967]

Big game hunting has been going on since the Wright Brothers first took flight in Kitty Hawk, NC. If Delta truly cared, they'd have taken a stance before now. If you want to believe this is a noble act, be my guest.

I bet there have been groups complaining about it for years, but if they had banned it a month ago, nobody notices or even cares.


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[day-day]

They used to be native to all of Africa and the Middle East...

Also a sub-species in southern Europe and maybe even farther up that was wiped out by man around 1900 years ago.

 

[dvldog]

Also a sub-species in southern Europe and maybe even farther up that was wiped out by man around 1900 years ago.

If we had only had this internet thing back then ...


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[TIDE-HSV]

I bet there have been groups complaining about it for years, but if they had banned it a month ago, nobody notices or even cares.


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Yes. Cecil was the catalyst...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Also a sub-species in southern Europe and maybe even farther up that was wiped out by man around 1900 years ago.

True...

 

[92tide]

that is also against all lion deaths globally, couldn't find more specific regional numbers. So the 70 includes a circus lion killing a clown in russia (if thats ever happened) but if you want to reduce it farther. Population of Zimbabwe (14,150,000) divided by all worldwide average human deaths by lion (70) and you still have minuscule odds so I'll say it again. "painting lions as a serious risk to the [African]Zimbabwean population as a whole is ludicrous"

i bet the clown deserved it

 

[Jon]

i bet the clown deserved it

they all do

 

[92tide]

they all do

i bet the dentist is wishing his wall were full of stuffed clowns right about now. he'd be hailed as a national hero

 

[TIDE-HSV]

i bet the dentist is wishing his wall were full of stuffed clowns right about now. he'd be hailed as a national hero

LOL! Probably. One overlooked little detail is that, being a convicted felon and prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm, if the reports are correct that he finished the lion off the next day with a rifle, he's committed another felony, not in Zimbabwe, but here...

 

[crimsonaudio]

LOL! Probably. One overlooked little detail is that, being a convicted felon and prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm, if the reports are correct that he finished the lion off the next day with a rifle, he's committed another felony, not in Zimbabwe, but here...

IANAL, but I'd be shocked if firearm possession / use laws extend beyond our border.

ETA: Minnesota state law provides that a felon can legally own a gun as soon as they have finished serving their sentence, so he may well have been legal even in the US (within MN).

 

[TIDE-HSV]

IANAL, but I'd be shocked if firearm possession / use laws extend beyond our border.

ETA: Minnesota state law provides that a felon can legally own a gun as soon as they have finished serving their sentence, so he may well have been legal even in the US (within MN).

It's not automatic, even in MN. In fact, it's very tangled. It is possible there, probably more than any other state to have firearm ownership restored, after judicial proceedings, and it depends on the original felony. If not, then it's federal law. If the right is not restored properly under state law, then it certainly does extend to possession beyond the boundaries of the US. It's actually been applied to a number of drug lords outside the US...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Looking at it further, he might scrape by. There, it's felonies involving a crime of "violence." Poaching is not specifically named. However, he was also convicted of lying to state and federal authorities, so it may still be a federal crime. One thing is certain, though. He's not put himself beyond the jurisdiction of the US by committing a breach of a federal statute in Zimbabwe. There's a considerable body of law behind that...

 

[cbi1972]

Reuters: Zimbabwe will not charge U.S. dentist for killing Cecil the lion

Zimbabwe will not charge American dentist Walter Palmer for killing its most prized lion in July because he had obtained legal authority to conduct the hunt, a Cabinet minister said on Monday, angering conservationists.

Palmer, a lifelong big-game hunter from Minnesota, touched off a global controversy when he killed Cecil, a rare black-maned lion, with a bow and arrow outside Hwange National Park in Western Zimbabwe.

Environment Minister Oppah Muchinguri-Kashiri said on Monday that Palmer's hunting papers were in order, and therefore he could not be charged.

"We approached the police and then the prosecutor general, and it turned out that Palmer came to Zimbabwe because all the papers were in order," Muchinguri-Kashiri told reporters.

Muchinguri-Kashiri said Palmer would be free to visit Zimbabwe as a tourist in the future but not as a hunter. The implication was that Palmer would not be issued the permits a hunter needs.

I suspected that the outrage was purely emotional.