Duke gets screwed over by the referees on the final play of the game

TrampLineman · Nov 2, 2015

No joke hawk.....lol. Especially those FLOPS!

But this was one of the WORST officiating jobs I have ever seen. The replay guy should have been fired for not overturning that crap. I would have suspended the refs for more than 2 games too. You can't be that bad at your job and expect to go on. Crap if I'm not good at my job people die so they are lucky. I know refs have a lot on their plate, but that was just silly!

day-day · Nov 2, 2015

Regarding the photo of the Miami player with his knee on the ground, it appears that he no longer has possession of the ball so I can see not being able to overturn this and rule the ball down.

If that is the case, I've also done some research and believe that had a penalty been called against Miami for a block in the back, Duke would have accepted the penalty and the game would have been extended for another play. I'm not 100% sure on this but someone will need to show me the ruling before I'm convinced otherwise. I think the NCAA rule is different from the NFL also.

Tidewater · Nov 2, 2015

day-day said:
Regarding the photo of the Miami player with his knee on the ground, it appears that he no longer has possession of the ball so I can see not being able to overturn this and rule the ball down.

If that is the case, I've also done some research and believe that had a penalty been called against Miami for a block in the back, Duke would have accepted the penalty and the game would have been extended for another play. I'm not 100% sure on this but someone will need to show me the ruling before I'm convinced otherwise. I think the NCAA rule is different from the NFL also.

ESPN College Football Today spent considerable time on this tonight.
If the penalty had been called and accepted, Miami would have gotten an untimed down from the 4.

As for the guy being down, you can't really tell from a still photo, because it depends on which instant the shutter clicked.
Watch it in normal time and you can see the guy's knee touch down, and then the ball takes a very different trajectory because the down player is still in contact with the ball.

Duke got hosed, not that I really mind Duke getting hosed (because of all the Bball flops and I don't appreciate the way Cutcliff treated Alabama).

Catfish · Nov 2, 2015

tidehawk said:
Maybe the blown call was payback for all the calls Duke gets in basketball.

Why is this in blue?

day-day · Nov 2, 2015

Tidewater said:
ESPN College Football Today spent considerable time on this tonight.
If the penalty had been called and accepted, Miami would have gotten an untimed down from the 4.

As for the guy being down, you can't really tell from a still photo, because it depends on which instant the shutter clicked.
Watch it in normal time and you can see the guy's knee touch down, and then the ball takes a very different trajectory because the down player is still in contact with the ball.

Duke got hosed, not that I really mind Duke getting hosed (because of all the Bball flops and I don't appreciate the way Cutcliff treated Alabama).

Thanks. This is what I was thinking; Miami still would have had a chance. Also, the player could be in contact with the ball but still not be in possession.

TrampLineman · Nov 3, 2015

But if he's in contact with the ball with a knee down he is down unless you can clearly see his loses possession before doing so (like fumbling). Like what was said, watch the video and you'll see why we call it a shame because the guy was down. A photo does no good there IMHO. That's why the replay official was banned for 2 weeks along with the rest of the crew because the ACC even acknowledged it was a horrible call by not overturning the call.

I'm just waiting for something like that to happen with us.

KrAzY3 · Nov 3, 2015

Let there be no confusion, there is a huge difference between losing control of the ball, and throwing the ball. If you are throwing the ball you do have possession up until the point you lose contact with it. If you are losing control, fumbling, etc... you lose possession of the ball at the point the no longer have control of the ball.

If a quarterback for instance was considered not to have possession of the ball at a later point in his motion, he could be sacked, while still in his throwing motion and have it considered an incompletion. That's not how it works though, because he is controlling the ball. That's the key, if you throw the ball backwards, you are controlling it. If you get hit and it pops out, you're not. So, it seems to me this was a pretty clear call if he was in contact with the ball at all.

TIDE-HSV · Nov 3, 2015

KrAzY3 said:
Let there be no confusion, there is a huge difference between losing control of the ball, and throwing the ball. If you are throwing the ball you do have possession up until the point you lose contact with it. If you are losing control, fumbling, etc... you lose possession of the ball at the point the no longer have control of the ball.

If a quarterback for instance was considered not to have possession of the ball at a later point in his motion, he could be sacked, while still in his throwing motion and have it considered an incompletion. That's not how it works though, because he is controlling the ball. That's the key, if you throw the ball backwards, you are controlling it. If you get hit and it pops out, you're not. So, it seems to me this was a pretty clear call if he was in contact with the ball at all.

I'm not sure I'm following this. If his knee comes in contact with the ground, it doesn't matter whether what was intended was a lateral or he fumbles. There's no difference, if his knee was down, so it comes down to when the ball left his hand. The ACC said that it did not. The forward pass rules don't apply, since they were far beyond the original LOS...

RTR91 · Nov 3, 2015

capnfrog · Nov 3, 2015

If the block in the back penalty had been called and had Miami gotten the untimed down with the ball on the 4 yd line how about the player running on the field without a helmet just before the player crossed the goal line, wouldn't that have been a 10 yd penalty?

tidefanbeezer · Nov 3, 2015

capnfrog said:
If the block in the back penalty had been called and had Miami gotten the untimed down with the ball on the 4 yd line how about the player running on the field without a helmet just before the player crossed the goal line, wouldn't that have been a 10 yd penalty?

Per the ACC release, that's a dead ball penalty and would have been enforced after the TD.

derek4tide · Nov 3, 2015

Duke got about 6 calls their way in their last drive. These officials were blowing calls the entire game. As I heard this morning on local sports radio, if Duke had done the final play like Miami did, no one would be complaining the next day. The game is over....Miami won....deal with it Duke.

Go Bama · Nov 3, 2015

tidefanbeezer said:
Per the ACC release, that's a dead ball penalty and would have been enforced after the TD.

Well that makes no sense at all. He ran onto the field before the ball carrier crossed the goal line.

tidefanbeezer · Nov 3, 2015

Go Bama said:
Well that makes no sense at all. He ran onto the field before the ball carrier crossed the goal line.

I don't understand it either. But I also don't understand how you can review a play for 9 minutes and still get it wrong.

LINK (6th paragraph, right under the video).

tidefanbeezer · Nov 3, 2015

I really don't get the ACC. It's almost like they want to continue to draw attention to the way this game ended.

Corn Elder named ACC Specialist of the Week

Snuffy Smith · Nov 3, 2015

tidefanbeezer said:
I don't understand it either. But I also don't understand how you can review a play for 9 minutes and still get it wrong.

LINK (6th paragraph, right under the video).

By rule a player running on the field during the play but not interfering with the outcome of the play is enforced as a dead ball penalty.

TIDE-HSV · Nov 3, 2015

Go Bama said:
Well that makes no sense at all. He ran onto the field before the ball carrier crossed the goal line.

Let me try. Another dead ball foul is taking your helmet off on the field. When it's a dead ball foul, it's enforced on the next play. When big Cody blocked the UT kick in 2009 with, I think, his right teat, then ripped his helmet off as he exited the field, the cyber space was filled with howls from UT fans who wanted a do-over. Problem is, when the game ends, and it can on a dead ball foul, there's no time left to enforce the penalty. Any refs present can correct me, if I'm wrong...

tidefanbeezer · Nov 3, 2015

TIDE-HSV said:
Let me try. Another dead ball foul is taking your helmet off on the field. When it's a dead ball foul, it's enforced on the next play. When big Cody blocked the UT kick in 2009 with, I think, his right teat, then ripped his helmet off as he exited the field, the cyber space was filled with howls from UT fans who wanted a do-over. Problem is, when the game ends, and it can on a dead ball foul, there's no time left to enforce the penalty. Any refs present can correct me, if I'm wrong...

I got a good chuckle out of that.

Gr8hope · Nov 3, 2015

Seems different to me in that the Miami player was on the field during the play and Cody took off his helmet after the play and the game was over.

Catfish · Nov 3, 2015

tidefanbeezer said:
Corn Elder named ACC Specialist of the Week

^^^Nonsense like this is why the aliens won't talk to us.^^^

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