Heisman finalists announced (HENRY WINS THE HEISMAN!)

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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That's a steep drop though.

Looks like the lines have dropped but are still strongly in Derrick's favor.

Henry -600
McCaffrey +300
Watson +2000

 

[Sabanizer]

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I'm still extremely confident Henry wins. I think they're just trying to generate some interest by acting like McCaffery has a chance.

Can't touch dat!

 

[B1GTide]

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Looks like the lines have dropped but are still strongly in Derrick's favor.

Henry -600
McCaffrey +300
Watson +2000

I think that people are watching ESPN and betting on McCaffrey lately because the folks on ESPN have been pushing him so hard - but all of the money bet the day that the finalists were announced was on Henry, which caused the line to shoot up.

If something was leaked - far more likely that it happened then, but for those not in the "know" (if it was leaked at all), the line looked too good to pass up if you thought that McCaffrey was the winner.

Vegas doesn't know anything except where the money is being bet.

 

[TideMom2Boys]

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I don't know who is on Finebaum now...but one guy mentioned Toby and said he should have won a few years back...that is why McCafrey should win. What a joke!


When Henry wins...all we will hear about is who "should" have won.

 

[BamaMoon]

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Most Barners don't believe Mark Ingram was deserving. I haven't seen one Barner say Henry is not deserving. If Barners see he's that good that saying something because they can't ever give Bama credit for anything.

 

[BamaJama17]

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Most Barners don't believe Mark Ingram was deserving. I haven't seen one Barner say Henry is not deserving. If Barners see he's that good that saying something because they can't ever give Bama credit for anything.

It's okay. Pat Sullivan wasn't deserving of the Heisman Trophy.

 

[TideEngineer08]

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I don't know who is on Finebaum now...but one guy mentioned Toby and said he should have won a few years back...that is why McCafrey should win. What a joke!


When Henry wins...all we will hear about is who "should" have won.

Andrew Luck had a better claim, but I honestly can't recall who he was up against those 2 years. Maybe Cam? Not saying he deserved it over Cam, just that he was a far better player than McCaffrey or Geirhart (sp?)

 

[ChattTide]

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Just from paying attention to the talking heads (some who have votes), I have felt that over the past two weeks or so it's gone gradually from "Henry's the front runner; way out in the lead" to something much less enthusiastic about his chances. McCaffrey has, in my opinion, been getting an increasing amount of "love" during that time. It feels like the Manning/Woodson year where Manning was the presumptive favorite, but people grew tired of that story line and decided to go against the grain and vote Woodson. In this case, Henry has been the favorite for several weeks and has done nothing to diminish that, but for some reason I've felt McCaffrey gaining on him in public opinion.

I don't know how it's going to turn out, obviously. No inside information. No reason to be confused. Just my observation and opinion.

This is exactly what it sounds like to me (Manning/Woodson). Living in Chattanooga at the time and having to live through Manning's 4 years was awful as a Tide fan. I didn't like Manning, but I respected him because he was "just that good". When he did not win a friend of mine (huge ut fan) did not show up for church the next day nor for work on Monday out of mourning for Manning not getting the Heisman. I think everyone in America, except in Michigan. knew who the best player in college football was that year, but was swayed somehow.

Still hate to see Manning on the vol sideline. Can't get over him directing rocky top in Bryant Denny. I'm relishing these days of Bama dominance over them

Roll Tide!!
ChattTide

 

[bamablood6]

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The Heisman is really a joke....has been most years because it is just a popularity contest. It is rarely the best player in CFB.

But regardless, the little McCaffrey is a good player, but could not lead his team into the college playoffs.

Without Henry and his 23 TDs, Bama is not in the CFB playoffs. Without Watson and his (30 passing /11 rushing TDs), Clemson is not in the CFB playoffs. But both of these players put up huge numbers and LED their team to the playoffs.

Ed McCaffrey's son, put up some big all purpose yards (only 11 TDs) and could NOT lead his team into the playoffs.

People with the Heisman vote are clueless/biased if Henry and Watson are not the top 2 vote getters.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

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damn you ESPN, you are going to make me watch the whole show

 

[KrAzY3]

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Ed McCaffrey's son, put up some big all purpose yards (only 11 TDs) and could NOT lead his team into the playoffs.

People with the Heisman vote are clueless/biased if Henry and Watson are not the top 2 vote getters.

The thing is he had 1,000 yards as a kick returner. That might sound impressive, but it's not nearly as impressive as it sounds. Return yards are some of the most empty yards anyone can get. If he wins because he was returning kickoffs it will be a joke. His average was 28, taking a touchback gets you 25, and any halfway decent returner is going to have an average over 20.

Make no mistake, since they are valuing empty yards, Henry would have run away with the award if he'd been in on kickoff returns (though he wasn't have as many as McCaffrey because Alabama plays better defense), and Alabama didn't rest Henry against ULM and Charleston Southern. It will be sad if performance again top competition in big games, and good defenses doesn't determine the winner of the award, but rather inflated statistics.

 

[bamablood6]

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The thing is he had 1,000 yards as a kick returner. That might sound impressive, but it's not nearly as impressive as it sounds. Return yards are some of the most empty yards anyone can get. If he wins because he was returning kickoffs it will be a joke. His average was 28, taking a touchback gets you 25, and any halfway decent returner is going to have an average over 20.

Make no mistake, since they are valuing empty yards, Henry would have run away with the award if he'd been in on kickoff returns (though he wasn't have as many as McCaffrey because Alabama plays better defense), and Alabama didn't rest Henry against ULM and Charleston Southern. It will be said if performance again top competition in big games, and good defenses doesn't determine the winner of the award, but rather inflated statistics.

Agree. Teams probably gave up a lot of points to get a lot of kickoff chances as well. What does Bama usually get, maybe 3 Kickoff return chances a game?

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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If McCaffrey is so great and the best player in the nation, why in the red zone they are putting someone else in the run the ball? I still haven't heard the answer to that. Is it good coaching? If it is then the coach is saying you aren't good enough to carry it in from the ONE YARD LINE. But yeah, he's the greatest player in the league. I guess NW must have the best defense in the nation.

Henry runs for 75 and will still run it in from the 1.


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[derek4tide]

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I'm still trying to figure out why none of these talking heads mention that Derrick broke the almighty Herschel's rushing record. Derrick deserves the Heisman. End of story.

 

[KrAzY3]

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If McCaffrey is so great and the best player in the nation, why in the red zone they are putting someone else in the run the ball? I still haven't heard the answer to that. Is it good coaching? If it is then the coach is saying you aren't good enough to carry it in from the ONE YARD LINE. But yeah, he's the greatest player in the league. I guess NW must have the best defense in the nation.

I don't want to take anything away from McCaffrey, he's special and in years in which there's no other obvious choice, just choosing a raw stats guy makes sense. But...

Let's take a closer look
Rushing stats:
Yards/AVG/TDs
McCaffrey 1847/5.8/8
Henry 1986/5.9/23

There's no contest there of course. It isn't just that Henry has more yards and a better average, he did it against better defenses, and he lead his team to bigger wins. The touchdowns though? Nearly three times as many? There's no question at all who the better running back is. Henry ran it when everyone knew he was going to run it, and still couldn't be stopped. Some people are treating McCaffrey like Reggie Bush, but he's not. Reggie averaged 8.7 per rush, and he found the end zone 19 times in his senior season. He didn't have as many empty yards, but he had more meaningful yards.

Receiving:
Yards/AVG/TDs
McCaffrey 540/13.2/2
Henry 97/9.7/0


McCaffrey has a clear edge here, but it's also a bit misleading. Henry is a key blocker on a lot of plays, so while McCaffrey might have more big catches, Henry has more big blocks. Though, admittedly if Henry had his 2014 stats with two TDs, the gap would be more narrow.

Returns:
Yards/TDs
McCaffrey
1109/1

These are empty numbers, as I said before. He's not even a good punt returner, but they used him there the last game just to pad total yards. It was clearly the plan.

While we shouldn't forget Henry played tougher defenses and set/tied SEC records. Let's just set that aside. Let's forget empty yards to. Let's forget it's Alabama that's still in contention.

Henry 2083/23
McCaffrey 3496/13

This means Henry had 59% of the yards McCaffrey had. McCaffrey had 56% of the touchdowns Henry had. Now you tell me which is more important, touchdowns or yards?

We can set aside all the other reasons, just the raw stats favor Henry. If he doesn't win, it will be a great example of bias.

 

[JBama_in_PCOLA]

Heisman finalists announced on 6pm Eastern (5pm Central) on Sportscenter ESPN2

We can set aside all the other reasons, just the raw stats favor Henry. If he doesn't win, it will be a great example of bias.

And it will be a bias AGAINST him and really not FOR anyone else.


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[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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damn you ESPN, you are going to make me watch the whole show

I don't think I'm going to watch.


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[playball31580]

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Thinking I'm getting ulcers from reading all of this!!

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[BamaInBham]

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I think it's obvious that Derrick has won. 80%-85% of the vote was turned in before this past Sat. Joe T. of ESPN, the resident Heisman "expert" has stated that he believes Derrick has won. Vegas has indicated overwhelmingly that Derrick has won. Most of the McCaffrey talk has been since Monday - after the vote was in. I.e., it just seems like momentum has swung in CM's favor, that is, the outcry has been meaningless. ESPN and the Heisman Committe are creating drama.

It is almost a certainty that Derrick has won.

 

[CraigD]

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I think it's obvious that Derrick has won. 80%-85% of the vote was turned in before this past Sat. Joe T. of ESPN, the resident Heisman "expert" has stated that he believes Derrick has won. Vegas has indicated overwhelmingly that Derrick has won. Most of the McCaffrey talk has been since Monday - after the vote was in. I.e., it just seems like momentum has swung in CM's favor, that is, the outcry has been meaningless. ESPN and the Heisman Committe are creating drama.

It is almost a certainty that Derrick has won.

Sadly this combination means that when he wins it there will be a lot of whining and complaining. I don't want that to happen. I want it to be a celebration of DH.