David Shaw on Satellite Camps

[RTR91]

Didn't want to hijack the thread on the new NCAA ruling with what David Shaw had to say about it.

I'll just leave this here for you all to discuss...

 

[TideEngineer08]

My opinion of him has been lowered. He's a heck of coach, no doubt. And I'm sure he was making a joke here, but it was an insulting joke and a disingenuous one at that. He recruits heavily down in the South, and nearly 1/4 of his roster is made up of players from Texas, Florida, and Georgia if I'm not mistaken.

It's probably going to backfire on him in recruiting.

Also, Greg McElroy pointed this out on Twitter. Supposedly we're so stupid here in the South, yet we basically are NASA. Texas, Alabama, and Florida are home to who knows what percentage of rocket scientists in this country. ​Oh but California has Google and Facebook.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Teams have long made comments about how tough they are academically. When you can't win it all, you fall back on academic standings.

 

[RedStar]

I don't think the quote looks as bad when it's put in context of the entire paragraph he gave.

I don't see anything in that quote directed at the South or in any way negative about the SEC at all. If anything I read that as him being on the SEC's side of being against the camps. He was never asked specifically about satellite camps in the South, just about satellite camps in general.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I don't think the quote looks as bad when it's put in context of the entire paragraph he gave.

I don't see anything in that quote directed at the South or in any way negative about the SEC at all. If anything I read that as him being on the SEC's side of being against the camps. He was never asked specifically about satellite camps in the South, just about satellite camps in general.

That looks a lot better in context. It's still kind of a bad statement but not like it looked standing alone.

 

[RedStar]

That looks a lot better in context. It's still kind of a bad statement but not like it looked standing alone.

Yeah I believe he probably meant, and definitely should have said " It doesn't make sense for us to go hold a camp some place where there might be one recruit we've offered in the entire state that's eligible to get into Stanford."

 

[Rush]

"If I can get into Stanford, you can too."

 

[Intl.Aperture]

Teams have long made comments about how tough they are academically. When you can't win it all, you fall back on academic standings.

Considering they went 12-2 last season I don't think this applies. I think Stanford is one of the few school who legitimately can tout academics. Aren't we seeing that right now with Demetris Robertson? There is a threshold and not everyone is able to make it which decreases the talent pool they can access ANYWHERE in the country, not just the South.
Folks on this board can sometimes get riled the moment they think that their intelligence is being ridiculed.

Can we be frank? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia. These are all great academic institutions. While they are good schools AND difficult to get in to, they are, comparably, not as difficult to get into as Stanford (degree tracks withstanding). He was a tad hyperbolic by saying "1 person in the state" but the sentiment of the statement holds true "It's hard to get into Stanford and our resources would not be well spent going to prospective recruits when the recruits can just come to us."

Not looking to ruffle any panties, I just think if he had changed the word "one person" to "handful of recruits" no one would have batted an eye.

 

[gtgilbert]

Considering they went 12-2 last season I don't think this applies. I think Stanford is one of the few school who legitimately can tout academics. Aren't we seeing that right now with Demetris Robertson? There is a threshold and not everyone is able to make it which decreases the talent pool they can access ANYWHERE in the country, not just the South.
Folks on this board can sometimes get riled the moment they think that their intelligence is being ridiculed.

Can we be frank? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia. These are all great academic institutions. While they are good schools AND difficult to get in to, they are, comparably, not as difficult to get into as Stanford (degree tracks withstanding). He was a tad hyperbolic by saying "1 person in the state" but the sentiment of the statement holds true "It's hard to get into Stanford and our resources would not be well spent going to prospective recruits when the recruits can just come to us."

Not looking to ruffle any panties, I just think if he had changed the word "one person" to "handful of recruits" no one would have batted an eye.

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/the-college-solution/2011/03/01/the-ivy-league-earnings-myth

 

[Intl.Aperture]

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/the-college-solution/2011/03/01/the-ivy-league-earnings-myth

That article had nothing to do with the standards of getting into Stanford in regards to their football program or other schools. I never made a claim about income, quality of education or welfare after exiting an Ivy League college so maybe you should just leave that article in the off topic section. We are talking about the head football coach at Stanford opting not to participate in satellite camps because many of the athletes he would encounter would not be eligible for admission under the standards listed for Stanford University. Period.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Considering they went 12-2 last season I don't think this applies. I think Stanford is one of the few school who legitimately can tout academics. Aren't we seeing that right now with Demetris Robertson? There is a threshold and not everyone is able to make it which decreases the talent pool they can access ANYWHERE in the country, not just the South.
Folks on this board can sometimes get riled the moment they think that their intelligence is being ridiculed.

Can we be frank? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Georgia. These are all great academic institutions. While they are good schools AND difficult to get in to, they are, comparably, not as difficult to get into as Stanford (degree tracks withstanding). He was a tad hyperbolic by saying "1 person in the state" but the sentiment of the statement holds true "It's hard to get into Stanford and our resources would not be well spent going to prospective recruits when the recruits can just come to us."

Not looking to ruffle any panties, I just think if he had changed the word "one person" to "handful of recruits" no one would have batted an eye.

Not questioning Stanford's well-deserved academic reputation - it's among the best schools in the nation. But a football coach only brags about it when he can't win it all.

12-2 is nice, but if you don't win the NC, you're still fighting over who's the first loser. IOW, if Stanford was actually competing for the NC, I doubt he'd fall back on such a silly statement.

 

[Intl.Aperture]

Not questioning Stanford's well-deserved academic reputation - it's among the best schools in the nation. But a football coach only brags about it when he can't win it all.

12-2 is nice, but if you don't win the NC, you're still fighting over who's the first loser. IOW, if Stanford was actually competing for the NC, I doubt he'd fall back on such a silly statement.

I hear you. I viewed the statement not as him saying that their standards were a recruiting impediment but that the implementation of satellite camps were a logistical misstep for the type of college they have.

 

[BamaMoon]

My opinion of him has been lowered. He's a heck of coach, no doubt. And I'm sure he was making a joke here, but it was an insulting joke and a disingenuous one at that. He recruits heavily down in the South, and nearly 1/4 of his roster is made up of players from Texas, Florida, and Georgia if I'm not mistaken.

It's probably going to backfire on him in recruiting.

Also, Greg McElroy pointed this out on Twitter. Supposedly we're so stupid here in the South, yet we basically are NASA. Texas, Alabama, and Florida are home to who knows what percentage of rocket scientists in this country. ​Oh but California has Google and Facebook.

Tend to agree with your assessment. It'll be used against him, even if it was a momentary slip of the tongue (words chosen poorly). However, I'd be interested to hear the tone he used when making this statement.

When a person speaks with such exaggeration he might be "taking a shot."

 

[B1GTide]

I think that Shaw needs to learn from more experienced coaches like Saban. He probably didn't mean to sound condescending, but he was also completely oblivious to the fact that he was being condescending, which means that he really believes what he said. He really believes that most HS football players are not smart enough to go to school where he went to school, which translates to him believing the he personally is smarter than "enter whatever list of people that you want here".

 

[Gr8hope]

Well said B1G.

He said "the entire State," which is very condescending. I agree he didn't realize how that would make him look.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I think that Shaw needs to learn from more experienced coaches like Saban. He probably didn't mean to sound condescending, but he was also completely oblivious to the fact that he was being condescending, which means that he really believes what he said. He really believes that most HS football players are not smart enough to go to school where he went to school, which translates to him believing the he personally is smarter than "enter whatever list of people that you want here".

Everybody out there thinks that way about southerners.

 

[Go Bama]

Taken out of context or not, there's no way to sugar coat that kind of statment. A clarification is in order.

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[BamaMoon]

Everybody out there thinks that way about southerners.

Yeah, but you could remove the blue font. It's true.

 

[The Ols]

They do love our music, girls and BBQ though...

Yeah, but you could remove the blue font. It's true.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Let me reinforce CA's point: a coach with a 100% graduation rate and a 3-9 record is called "former coach;" a coach with a 17% graduation rate who won a national title is called "national championship coach with extra money due to incentives."

A coach is hired and fired on the basis of winning or losing, not on the basis of how many players graduate. Has any FBS coach EVER been fired after winning a conference title or even a major bowl game with the administration saying that while his record was stellar, his graduation rate was too low?