What Gun Reform would you suggest?

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So if Cam Robinson is convicted of the stolen gun crime he should be put away for 10 years? That's the problem with mandatory sentences. Often good people are in a bad situation and get the full force of t he law against them.
If I were understanding O'Reilly correctly, he was saying that any crime committed with a gun would carry a mandatory 10 year federal sentence. He gave examples like sticking up a 7/11, etc. There are two crimes alleged against Cam - possession of a stolen gun and controlled substance. The second is definitely not committed with a gun. The former, it's doubtful that is what he meant, since the gun was really not used in a separate crime. Of course, that's all just O'Reilly...
 

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If I were understanding O'Reilly correctly, he was saying that any crime committed with a gun would carry a mandatory 10 year federal sentence. He gave examples like sticking up a 7/11, etc. There are two crimes alleged against Cam - possession of a stolen gun and controlled substance. The second is definitely not committed with a gun. The former, it's doubtful that is what he meant, since the gun was really not used in a separate crime. Of course, that's all just O'Reilly...
Is possessing a stolen firearm the same as receiving stolen property, which appears to be a class c felony in AL with a sentence of 2-20 years?
 

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Doesn't matter. Until Republicans are willing to sit down and actually talk about things all this that's been going on will continue.


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It's pointless to talk if the discussion is around infringing on the rights of the people. Passing a law to find out if it's constitutional is for the birds. No one should agree to that game.
 
It's pointless to talk if the discussion is around infringing on the rights of the people. If you wish to discuss constitutional means of removing or limiting constitutional protections (a.k.a. the amendment process), then have at it.
That's a good point. Still though at least come to the table. There needs to be something. Right now, there's nothing.


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Doesn't matter. Until Republicans are willing to sit down and actually talk about things all this that's been going on will continue.
In the spirit of this thread, what would you suggest?

I mean, it's easy to say 'something should be done', but the rubber meets the road when you have to actually decide what constitutional rights should be limited. We're talking about infringing on law-abiding citizens' rights, so it better be an effective move against a real issue, not something as superficial like a renewal of the poorly-named 'assault weapons ban'...
 
In the spirit of this thread, what would you suggest?

I mean, it's easy to say 'something should be done', but the rubber meets the road when you have to actually decide what constitutional rights should be limited. We're talking about infringing on law-abiding citizens' rights, so it better be an effective move against a real issue, not something as superficial like a renewal of the poorly-named 'assault weapons ban'...
I have no idea. It's hard to figure this out. We know something must be done but at the same time you don't want to impede on someone's rights as a US citizen. There ought to be a simple starting place. Just don't know where.

I don't believe that citizens should have automatic weapons though. I don't understand the rationale behind that other than the bad guys have them.


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I don't believe that citizens should have automatic weapons though. I don't understand the rationale behind that other than the bad guys have them.
Automatic weapons are a non-issue - they've been banned from public sale for decades - you can buy one, but it will cost you ~$20k, it will be at least 30 years old, and you have to get a special tax stamp from the BATFE. Very, very few exist in the public realm and I can't recall the last time an automatic weapon was used in a crime.
 

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I read this while stuffing a new 40 round mag... :D
My post of the day!!! And BTW.....if anyone knows anyone, I've got a 75 drum for 7.62/39 Ak/ Mac90 platforms that I want to sell!!! [emoji4]!!!

(In a Forrest Gump voice..)
Sorry to disrupt your gun reform party!!!....
 
Automatic weapons are a non-issue - they've been banned from public sale for decades - you can buy one, but it will cost you ~$20k, it will be at least 30 years old, and you have to get a special tax stamp from the BATFE. Very, very few exist in the public realm and I can't recall the last time an automatic weapon was used in a crime.
Well, the starting point has become harder.


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These were not automatic weapons. To my knowledge there has never been a mass shooting with an automatic weapon in 20 years.

I know some will think this is all semantics but its the exact issues that are causing so many untruths and false statements being slung left and right. Please stop saying assault rifles or automatic rifles. These were neither! It only perpetuates other uninformed people to continue those same words and they are meaningless.
 

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Automatic weapons are a non-issue - they've been banned from public sale for decades - you can buy one, but it will cost you ~$20k, it will be at least 30 years old, and you have to get a special tax stamp from the BATFE. Very, very few exist in the public realm and I can't recall the last time an automatic weapon was used in a crime.
Yeah, that's what I can't get over.....to the uninformed, they think you can buy a full auto machine gun off the internet...(they know better, but that's the Bovine Scat that the anti gun folks spew)

You can indeed buy a full auto weapon. But, you have to apply for, and get approval by the High Sheriff of your location to possess an FFLIII License . Then you have to apply for and pay a $200 federal tax stamp fee on top of the ridiculous price that full auto weapons bring........These AR "assault weapons" sold to the general public....aren't built to reliably go full auto, even if you change em to....(with mods).....you can buy and possess hand grenades......but legally, you have to pay the $200 tax stamp fee for each grenade.........it's all about money...not safety......but that's beside the point.......it still boils down to, the laws, only effect Law abiding citizens......could laws curb ole Billy Bob from getting drunk and shooting his ex ole lady?.....yes.......but laws won't stop any cold calculating plot to commit mass murder.....
 

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Well, the starting point has become harder.
The's kinda been my point. Everyone wants the violence to end or be reduced, but the only options people put out there are either based on ignorance about the subject or an outright violation of the rights of many millions of law-abiding citizens.

And due in large part to the politicians who are completely ignorant about firearms outside of knowing they want to restrict them, most gun owners are wary of any new legislation that restricts our rights. Politicians / geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy:

 
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The's kinda been my point. Everyone wants the violence to end or be reduced, but the only options people put out there are either based on ignorance about the subject or an outright violation of the rights of many millions of law-abiding citizens.

And due in large part to the politicians who are completely ignorant about firearms outside of knowing they want to restrict them, most gun owners are wary of any new legislation that restricts our rights. Politicians like geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy:

With a judiciary that continually broadens the scope of laws, there is no incentive for anyone who values his individual rights/freedoms to cooperate in the the legislative process.
 

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I'm amused by the old what amounts to "if they're suspicious." Interesting. Didn't we recently have a kid bring a clock to school and when the school thought it might be a bomb, they got blasted (swidt?) as bigots.

But what if it had been?

This is why "suspicion" - also known as profiling - won't work. The ONLY thing that will work is the same way nearly every mass shooting ends - putting a bullet into the criminal.
 

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