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Rating Jalen Hurts Half Way Thru the Regular Season

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bamaslammer said:
1. COOLNESS/POISE: 5 - I'm going to disagree with some here. He looks cool on the surface but his completion percentage under pressure is not good, something like 7 for 27. I'm keeping in mind that he is a freshman but how many passes did Austin Allen complete under pressure Saturday? He is also a first year starter.

2. LEADERSHIP: 8.5 Here. I believe Hurts is a natural here. Guys want to go to battle with this young man. He's got something there you can't coach or buy. He could be more vocal but I believe he will excel at this.

3. RUNNING THREAT: 7 - Agree with the running, he's not DeShawn Watson but he runs well enough that they HAVE to account for it. It can't be ignored.

4. PASSING: 5 - agree here as well. His release is not very fast and his passes are often off the mark forcing the receiver to adjust instead of take it in stride. I attribute some of this to just the speed of the game. When it slows down for him I believe he will improve in all areas here.

5. INTANGIBLES/BALL PROTECTION: 9 - Like the leadership thing I believe he has the "it" factor. He's also mature beyond his years. Last week he gets assaulted by some freak neck wrangling him on the ground. Most people would get up and start a fight which would no doubt (with that ref crew) have resulted in a flag on us. Not Hurts. He gets up and doesn't even acknowledge the guy, just walks back to his team.

Just to compare though game 6 of 2011:
McCarron 98-150-4 int 6 TD's 1156 yards
Hurts 97-152-2 int 9 TD's 1242 yards

McCarron didn't have the receivers Hurts has but his stats compare favorably non the less. That season McCarron really improved after the LSU game.
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I've seen folks point out his completion percentage "under pressure", and I don't think it tells the whole story. Most of the time under pressure, he has been smart enough to get outside of the pocket and throw the ball away. Again, another reason why you can't help but be impressed by the young man's poise.
 
I think he's been incredible. I think having a football coach Dad has a lot to do with his poise.
He's fast as lightning but he glides so effortlessly he almost looks slow.
He still needs to throw to a spot and not directly at the receiver,(Thus the under throws) but as has been mentioned, last year at this time he was playing in front of 500 people rather than 100,000.
It's obvious that the team has accepted him as the leader of the offense.
I can't say enough good about him. Darn sure glad we flipped him from A&M.
 
JBama_in_PCOLA said:
Having a father in his life. It's the difference between Jordan and Lebron. Just my assessment.


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Could you please explain further? Not sure of what difference between Jordan and LeBron you are referring to and how they relate to Jalen.
 
TampaTide813 said:
Could you please explain further? Not sure of what difference between Jordan and LeBron you are referring to and how they relate to Jalen.
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His decision making and how calm he is under center. You don't see him going crazy.

Lebron didn't have one in his life and made some rough decisions. Not to say he isn't the best player in the game. Jordan didn't do that and look at the careers of both.

It's just an observation and it isn't guaranteed. Just glad he's our QB.


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JBama_in_PCOLA said:
His decision making and how calm he is under center. You don't see him going crazy.

Lebron didn't have one in his life and made some rough decisions. Not to say he isn't the best player in the game. Jordan didn't do that and look at the careers of both.

It's just an observation and it isn't guaranteed. Just glad he's our QB.


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OK. Well, not going to get into a Jordan/LeBron conversation in a Jalen Hurts thread. I just don't follow the logic that having a father makes him calmer under center. He is the most poised first time starting college QB I have ever seen, let alone a TF. I think having a football coach as a father has helped his football IQ tremendously and that probably contributes to his poise. If I'm not mistaken, Barnett had a father and that didn't help him at all under center. I'd dare to guess that most first time starting QBs have fathers in their lives but few, if any, have Jalen's composure. I just see any correlation at all there as most fathers aren't football coaches. However, I too am glad we have him.
 
TampaTide813 said:
OK. Well, not going to get into a Jordan/LeBron conversation in a Jalen Hurts thread. I just don't follow the logic that having a father makes him calmer under center. He is the most poised first time starting college QB I have ever seen, let alone a TF. I think having a football coach as a father has helped his football IQ tremendously and that probably contributes to his poise. If I'm not mistaken, Barnett had a father and that didn't help him at all under center. I'd dare to guess that most first time starting QBs have fathers in their lives but few, if any, have Jalen's composure. I just see any correlation at all there as most fathers aren't football coaches. However, I too am glad we have him.
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Cool. That's why I said it isn't a guaranteed.


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TampaTide813 said:
OK. Well, not going to get into a Jordan/LeBron conversation in a Jalen Hurts thread. I just don't follow the logic that having a father makes him calmer under center. He is the most poised first time starting college QB I have ever seen, let alone a TF. I think having a football coach as a father has helped his football IQ tremendously and that probably contributes to his poise. If I'm not mistaken, Barnett had a father and that didn't help him at all under center. I'd dare to guess that most first time starting QBs have fathers in their lives but few, if any, have Jalen's composure. I just see any correlation at all there as most fathers aren't football coaches. However, I too am glad we have him.
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Don't see any correlation
 
TampaTide813 said:
OK. Well, not going to get into a Jordan/LeBron conversation in a Jalen Hurts thread. I just don't follow the logic that having a father makes him calmer under center. He is the most poised first time starting college QB I have ever seen, let alone a TF. I think having a football coach as a father has helped his football IQ tremendously and that probably contributes to his poise. If I'm not mistaken, Barnett had a father and that didn't help him at all under center. I'd dare to guess that most first time starting QBs have fathers in their lives but few, if any, have Jalen's composure. I just see any correlation at all there as most fathers aren't football coaches. However, I too am glad we have him.
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Just an observation.

Over the past year, I've heard a lot out of Barnett's dad via social media. All I know about Hurts's dad is that he's a football coach. Again, just an observation. Draw your own conclusions.
 
bamaslammer said:
1. COOLNESS/POISE: 5 - I'm going to disagree with some here. He looks cool on the surface but his completion percentage under pressure is not good, something like 7 for 27. I'm keeping in mind that he is a freshman but how many passes did Austin Allen complete under pressure Saturday? He is also a first year starter.

2. LEADERSHIP: 8.5 Here. I believe Hurts is a natural here. Guys want to go to battle with this young man. He's got something there you can't coach or buy. He could be more vocal but I believe he will excel at this.

3. RUNNING THREAT: 7 - Agree with the running, he's not DeShawn Watson but he runs well enough that they HAVE to account for it. It can't be ignored.

4. PASSING: 5 - agree here as well. His release is not very fast and his passes are often off the mark forcing the receiver to adjust instead of take it in stride. I attribute some of this to just the speed of the game. When it slows down for him I believe he will improve in all areas here.

5. INTANGIBLES/BALL PROTECTION: 9 - Like the leadership thing I believe he has the "it" factor. He's also mature beyond his years. Last week he gets assaulted by some freak neck wrangling him on the ground. Most people would get up and start a fight which would no doubt (with that ref crew) have resulted in a flag on us. Not Hurts. He gets up and doesn't even acknowledge the guy, just walks back to his team.

Just to compare though game 6 of 2011:
McCarron 98-150-4 int 6 TD's 1156 yards
Hurts 97-152-2 int 9 TD's 1242 yards

McCarron didn't have the receivers Hurts has but his stats compare favorably non the less. That season McCarron really improved after the LSU game.
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AJ was a 3rd year Soph. Also, he did not have the dramatic effect on the running game that Jalen does. That's not counting the intangibles, some of which AJ had. His response after the OM scoop and score was the most impressive sequence of plays I've seen this year. Led them to a TD so fast that it left time for Eddie's punt return. IMO, he was going to lead Bama to a win with or without the PR. Impressive impressive.

He may not play well at some point, but he has proven without a doubt that he can win against name opponents (USC) on neutral fields and in hostile stadiums (OM, Ark). Coming from behind or from ahead. IMO the entire team (O, D, ST) benefits tremendously from his calm, poised, competitive presence. He's amazing.
 
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I do rate JH highly. He is cool, calm and collected. He plays within himself and doesn't force things. I will say that it helps that he has two first round WRs and a great TE, LT and RB.
 
bamaslammer said:
1. COOLNESS/POISE: 5 - I'm going to disagree with some here. He looks cool on the surface but his completion percentage under pressure is not good, something like 7 for 27. I'm keeping in mind that he is a freshman but how many passes did Austin Allen complete under pressure Saturday? He is also a first year starter.

2. LEADERSHIP: 8.5 Here. I believe Hurts is a natural here. Guys want to go to battle with this young man. He's got something there you can't coach or buy. He could be more vocal but I believe he will excel at this.

3. RUNNING THREAT: 7 - Agree with the running, he's not DeShawn Watson but he runs well enough that they HAVE to account for it. It can't be ignored.

4. PASSING: 5 - agree here as well. His release is not very fast and his passes are often off the mark forcing the receiver to adjust instead of take it in stride. I attribute some of this to just the speed of the game. When it slows down for him I believe he will improve in all areas here.

5. INTANGIBLES/BALL PROTECTION: 9 - Like the leadership thing I believe he has the "it" factor. He's also mature beyond his years. Last week he gets assaulted by some freak neck wrangling him on the ground. Most people would get up and start a fight which would no doubt (with that ref crew) have resulted in a flag on us. Not Hurts. He gets up and doesn't even acknowledge the guy, just walks back to his team.

Just to compare though game 6 of 2011:
McCarron 98-150-4 int 6 TD's 1156 yards
Hurts 97-152-2 int 9 TD's 1242 yards

McCarron didn't have the receivers Hurts has but his stats compare favorably non the less. That season McCarron really improved after the LSU game.
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Do you realize Allen is a third year player starting for the first time v.s Hurts, who is a freshmen that played a HS game this time last year?
 
Alasippi said:
I think he's been incredible. I think having a football coach Dad has a lot to do with his poise.
He's fast as lightning but he glides so effortlessly he almost looks slow.
He still needs to throw to a spot and not directly at the receiver,(Thus the under throws) but as has been mentioned, last year at this time he was playing in front of 500 people rather than 100,000.
It's obvious that the team has accepted him as the leader of the offense.
I can't say enough good about him. Darn sure glad we flipped him from A&M.
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Not to nit-pick but it was a few more than 500. Friday night lights is a pretty big deal out here.

http://www.texasbob.com/stadium/stadium.php?id=475
 
Hurts has far exceeded my expectations. He's a duel threat which is what is needed in modern college football. He just needs to get his timing down a bit better. I think the Tennessee game will tell a lot about him. I don't expect him to play just an average game on Saturday. He is either going to excel in that game or get a bit rattled. If he excels in that game like I expect him to then the sky's limit for him.
 
He makes the hard passes look easy and the easy passes look hard. The swing passes out of the backfield are harder than the seem passes to the TEs he can't hit right. He will get it though. You can work on that, you're prettt much born with the kind of mental toughness he has.
 
JustNeedMe81 said:
Do you realize Allen is a third year player starting for the first time v.s Hurts, who is a freshmen that played a HS game this time last year?
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I do realize Allen has been in the program and yes that matters, but he's still a first time starter.

I realize he is a true freshman, and yes I was wholly impressed with his response to getting decked in the Ole Miss game, but Tennessee is not going to use their special "softie" defense for use on pure freshman, they are going to try to kill him. I wasn't rating him "for a freshman" I was rating him as the starting quarterback.

So far this season our defense has carried us (as I expected). We may need more from Hurts this week than he has had to provide to this point. If he can lead them to victory in THAT stadium with 100 thousand genetically challenged people yelling at him, I will come back and adjust my COOLNESS/POISE rating.
 
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