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Loam said:
I hope they don't play the injury card on us if we beat them. We have Eddie and Hamilton out.
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Who cares? They could lose their entire defense to food poisoning and I'll take the win. Most teams whine when we be them at full strength, at this point I don't care anymore - I just want the W.
 
Well, the youth card was already played and people here pointed out our starting Freshman.
 
B1GTide said:
As long as you win, do you really care?
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Wait a minute, let me think.......nope!!!!

(Just like I don't care that we beat LSU in a rematch or only got Notre Dame because of Tattoogate at Ohio State or Colt got hurt or something something)
 
selmaborntidefan said:
Hey buddy,

I'm Alabama born, don't know much about that book learning, but it seems even to my simple mind we'd only miss five as opposed to six (given the fact one of the fourteen teams cannot play itself).

But of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

And this year we only missed four: South Carolina, Georgia, Vandy, and Missouri.

Those are four of the five worst teams in the SEC, meaning that out of the top eight teams in the conference, the only one we missed is the one that squares off against itself in practice every day.


I'll have a unique perspective on this in a day or two, and it might surprise everyone.
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That math thing always trips me up :)

So... I don't understand how your schedule works it sounds like. I thought people had posted here you schedule 6/2 and then 4 OOC. I assume you missed only 4 because you played Florida in the SEC Champ? Is that correct?
 
selmaborntidefan said:
OK everyone, a little different perspective.


Some of you know I spent two years as a prisoner of war in the Federal Communist Republic of California. This was during the time when USC when beating everyone left and right. The Internet was proliferating rapidly and I wound up in some discussions with some really rabid USC and UCLA fans. They had a REAL problem with the notion of a 'very good SEC' and 'best conference,' and their argument sounds somewhat similar to what SoDawg is saying.

Their argument was that since the intra-conference record ultimately was a zero sum game (e.g. every team that had a win gave another team a loss), you CANNOT include conference games to determine conference strength. Strength could only be determined by OUT OF CONFERENCE games. Yet even here they would rip the SEC's OOC record because, "y'all play one FCS school each, which inflates the record."

Those points are somewhat true, but they're also ultimately irrelevant. Besides, during the heyday of SEC dominance (2006-2012), the SEC top to bottom was obliterating OOC teams even if one subtracted the FCS games.

Let's look at a prominent example: 2008. That year the press jumped on the Big 12 bandwagon, and the conference had four really good teams: Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State. These four teams combined for an insane 43-5 overall record, and they looked really good. ESPN and USA Today were telling us all that the Big 12 had surpassed the SEC in conference strength (and remember...at that point the streak was only Florida winning in a disputed rematch and LSU lucking into the title game because of BCS chaos).

And then the games were played.

Ole Miss 47 Texas Tech 34
Florida 24 Oklahoma 14 (this was the OU that became the first team ever to punch in 60-plus points in five straight games)
Oregon 42 Okie St 31

Of the big four, only Texas won their bowl game.....the Longhorns edged Ohio State, 24-21, and didn't look very good doing it, either. In fact, Texas blew a 17-6 lead entering the fourth quarter and scored the game winning TD in the final seconds. The Big 12 went 4-3 in bowl games, but their big guns lost. Meanwhile, the SEC went 6-2, beat the Big 12 head to head twice in two matchups, and ONE of the losses was Alabama's failure to show up and play Utah in the Sugar Bowl.



Right now everyone is sold on the Big Ten as being a really good conference. But if their Big Four go 0-4 or 1-3 in the bowls/playoff then that will be amended...unless, of course, Ohio State wins the whole deal, at which point the narrative will become "Alabama won because the SEC was weak."



There's another truth, though - let's be honest and admit most Tide fans haven't even seen Washington play this year. Or they saw 1-2 games at most and one of those was USC. So Tide fans simply assume that "Oregon won playing basketball, therefore, Washington plays basketball," without even bothering to see if that objection has any merit. But the comparison is specious at best to say nothing of assumed. Those making that comparison might wish to consider:

2010 Oregon Ducks - three of their 13 opponents topped 30 points and a fourth scored 29 (surrendered 18.6 ppg, opponents record 63-69 plus Portland St)
2016 Washington - highest point total surrendered was 28 - once (surrendered 17.2 ppg, opponents record 75-70 plus Portland St)....and right before their two big guns early, Oregon and Stanford.


Note that the main difference in record is that Oregon didn't have to play a conference championship game.


And yes - there IS an East Coast bias. I don't think it's intentional, but it's born of the fact that by the time most Saturday night Pac 12 games kick off, SEC fans have been watching their team and their rivals for 10-12 hours already.


And finally, just because Team A played a stronger schedule does not automatically mean it beats Team B. That said - the entire game comes down to whether or not Alabama plays like Alabama usually plays. If we do then nobody has a chance - if we don't then Washington is certainly good enough to capitalize on it.
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Thanks for insightful post. I think your take reflects alot of the alternate perspectives of the SEC vs Pac12 fan. No doubt Alabama is a GREAT Team... every year, not just this year. They are the benchmark, and honestly, UW is on the way back, but not to the level of an Alabama yet.....especially with the quality/quantity of players. As some have said, our front line guys are pretty good and can compete on the Defensive side.... I think our OL is a year or 2 away (these guys are Soph/Frosh). Playing Alabama is a likely loss, but a GREAT measure of how far we've come back (Willingham drove is into near oblivion with 0-12 and nearly destroyed the program)....and how far we have yet to go. I'm primarily hoping we keep it close and play our best game that reflects our true ability. If UW and Alabama both play their A game -- Alabama wins hands down.

So I don't think any Pac12 fan would argue Alabama is not the top school in the country. I do think, top-bottom, the Pac12 can rival SEC in overall strength. Granted it is a different brand of Football, much more explosive, NFL QB's, lots of throwing whereas the SEC is traditional a Power Defense/Run based teams. It's hard to compare.... but Pac12 is at least a Top 3 conference if you look traditional at OOC and Bowl performance. Not saying we are better than SEC, just that we aren't a weak conference.

On the Conference Schedule, you make the point, I've been trying to articulate poorly...." the intra-conference record ultimately was a zero sum game (e.g. every team that had a win gave another team a loss), you CANNOT include conference games to determine conference strength." This is why the 8/9 is relavent...because 4 OOC games vs 3 automatically gives another W (typically) and 1 less LOSS for the conference. If Alabama beats Vandy...Vandy loss lowers your SOS. If Alabama beats W. Kentucky and Vandy New Mexico St....then both GET W and improves SOS for Conference. A 2-6 in conference team, can still be bowl eligible and 6-6... inflates 'power' of SOS. No more from me on this :)

I agree whole heartedly that the BiG is way over-rated this year. I've said a couple times I expect 4-6 Bowl losses... USC will crush Penn St, I think Clemson beats OhioSt (QB play), Florida St over Mich (no offense), Utah over Indiana, WSU over Minn, Florida over Iowa... I think SEC and Pac12 will prove to be best bowl record conferences.

Agree on the 'bias'. It is really just a factor of 'ignorance' because our games are typically on when the 'SEC/ACC' are in bed or done watching football. Also... that is why when the teams that have had the 'press', like UO, fall off...then the assumption is the 'league is down'. Many just don't know who the 'non hyped' teams are, their history, etc.? USC, UCLA always...and recently Stanford and UO. It makes perfect sense. UW stomps Stanford and UO. Alabama stomps USC, UCLA loses to Texas A&M.... the league sucks because UW hasn't been a 'team' for 15 yrs
 
seebell said:
Jake Browning HS stats from Max Preps. He has some huge totals.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jake-browning/aOpIlfTlEeKZ5AAmVebBJg/gendersport/football-stats.htm


  • Career
  • Var 14-15
  • Var 13-14
  • Var 12-13
[h=2]Career Stats[/h]Jake has played on 3 football teams covered by MaxPreps. The accumulated varsity totals are in the last row of each table.
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[TH="class: qbrating number last sort-desc stat dw, align: left"]QB Rate[/TH]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: grade"][/TD]
[TD="class: teamlevel"][/TD]
[TD="class: gamesplayed stat dw"]46[/TD]
[TD="class: passingcomp stat dw"]1191[/TD]
[TD="class: passingatt stat dw"]1708[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyards stat dw"]16775[/TD]
[TD="class: completionpercentage stat dw"].697[/TD]
[TD="class: ydspercompletion stat dw"]14.1[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyardspergame stat dw"]364.7[/TD]
[TD="class: completionspergame stat dw"]25.9[/TD]
[TD="class: passingtd stat dw"]229[/TD]
[TD="class: passingtdspergame stat dw"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: passingint stat dw"]40[/TD]
[TD="class: passinglong stat dw"]90[/TD]
[TD="class: qbrating stat dw"]130.9[/TD]
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[TD="class: year"]14-15[/TD]
[TD="class: grade"]Senior[/TD]
[TD="class: teamlevel"]Varsity[/TD]
[TD="class: gamesplayed stat dw"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: passingcomp stat dw"]360[/TD]
[TD="class: passingatt stat dw"]524[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyards stat dw"]5790[/TD]
[TD="class: completionpercentage stat dw"].687[/TD]
[TD="class: ydspercompletion stat dw"]16.1[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyardspergame stat dw"]361.9[/TD]
[TD="class: completionspergame stat dw"]22.5[/TD]
[TD="class: passingtd stat dw"]91[/TD]
[TD="class: passingtdspergame stat dw"]5.7[/TD]
[TD="class: passingint stat dw"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: passinglong stat dw"]90[/TD]
[TD="class: qbrating last stat dw"]139.4[/TD]
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[TD="class: gamesplayed stat dw"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: passingcomp stat dw"]440[/TD]
[TD="class: passingatt stat dw"]579[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyards stat dw"]5737[/TD]
[TD="class: completionpercentage stat dw"].760[/TD]
[TD="class: ydspercompletion stat dw"]13.0[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyardspergame stat dw"]382.5[/TD]
[TD="class: completionspergame stat dw"][/TD]
[TD="class: passingtd stat dw"]75[/TD]
[TD="class: passingtdspergame stat dw"][/TD]
[TD="class: passingint stat dw"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: passinglong stat dw"]81[/TD]
[TD="class: qbrating last stat dw"]134.0[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: gamesplayed stat dw"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: passingcomp stat dw"]391[/TD]
[TD="class: passingatt stat dw"]605[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyards stat dw"]5248[/TD]
[TD="class: completionpercentage stat dw"].646[/TD]
[TD="class: ydspercompletion stat dw"]13.4[/TD]
[TD="class: passingyardspergame stat dw"]349.9[/TD]
[TD="class: completionspergame stat dw"][/TD]
[TD="class: passingtd stat dw"]63[/TD]
[TD="class: passingtdspergame stat dw"][/TD]
[TD="class: passingint stat dw"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: passinglong stat dw"]78[/TD]
[TD="class: qbrating stat dw"]115.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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did his high school team even have a running back?
 
SoDawg said:
That math thing always trips me up :)

So... I don't understand how your schedule works it sounds like. I thought people had posted here you schedule 6/2 and then 4 OOC. I assume you missed only 4 because you played Florida in the SEC Champ? Is that correct?
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Our SEC schedule is 6/1/1 - our 6 divisional opponents, 1 permanent opponent (Tennessee), and a rotation of the other 6 each year, alternating home games.
 
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DzynKingRTR said:
did his high school team even have a running back?
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Browning threw a record 10 touchdown passes in his very first varsity game as a sophomore. The fact that he wasn't a "5 star" recruit is why I don't take rankings seriously. Browning went to only 1 camp during his entire high school career(Boise St as a junior)
 
Marshawn24 said:
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Browning threw a record 10 touchdown passes in his very first varsity game as a sophomore. The fact that he wasn't a "5 star" recruit is why I don't take rankings seriously. Browning went to only 1 camp during his entire high school career(Boise St as a junior)
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I mean, just because a kid puts up great numbers in high school doesn't mean they should be a 5 star recruit. His arm strength is probably what kept him from getting that 5th star.
 
JustinT256 said:
I mean, just because a kid puts up great numbers in high school doesn't mean they should be a 5 star recruit. His arm strength is probably what kept him from getting that 5th star.
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and no one answered my question. did his high school actually have a running back or did they run the June Jones offense?
 
JustinT256 said:
I mean, just because a kid puts up great numbers in high school doesn't mean they should be a 5 star recruit. His arm strength is probably what kept him from getting that 5th star.
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These weren't just great numbers Browning was a phenom. And most importantly was playing high level competition. As for arm strength that is something that's usually judged at camps which of course Browning didn't participate in.
 
Marshawn24 said:
These weren't just great numbers Browning was a phenom. And most importantly was playing high level competition. As for arm strength that is something that's usually judged at camps which of course Browning didn't participate in.
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Dude set state of CA and national records at QB - he's a legit threat.
 
crimsonaudio said:
Dude set state of CA and national records at QB - he's a legit threat.
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UW fans knew it but you look at the rankings and he barely moves after setting all those records because he wasn't participating in any of the all star games . Just an example for why recruiting rankings are for entertainment not actual talent evaluations.
 
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