I was just hoping for two tight ends and giving the ball to Scarbrough. That is what I called for when it was 1st on the six; three plays to Scarbrough with two tight ends.
Question: Offensive playcalling
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I was just hoping for two tight ends and giving the ball to Scarbrough. That is what I called for when it was 1st on the six; three plays to Scarbrough with two tight ends.
Let's see how the next few weeks play out - including against Ole Miss. That defense last night was scary as anything I've seen in years.
The Louisville talk was extremely flawed. I mentioned it numerous times. FSU's schedule was very problematic for that game, especially with an 11:00 kickoff.
And it was their first game without Derwin James.
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Yeah, it's a combination of things that should get corrected. Your brother may just be spot on. Annihilation may be the word for it.
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The play calling was vanilla, on purpose. CNS has said he likes to schedule tough teams, for the season opener, to see what the team can do and what it needs to work on. Only so much that you can learn by playing yourself (practice/scrimmage) or a cupcake.
Now he knows what we can do, and what needs a ton of work.
It will get fixed.
Now he knows what we can do, and what needs a ton of work.
It will get fixed.
Some excellent points made here -- basically we could not block them consistently from any formation we tried. I do not think we will see another defense this athletic until LSU -- and then maybe AU.
However, we have to be able to at least run some iso plays to keep LBs honest.
It's a win -- costly to be sure -- and we're off and running...going to be interesting to be sure. Just remember -- we looked bad against VT a few years ago and did all right that season.
However, we have to be able to at least run some iso plays to keep LBs honest.
It's a win -- costly to be sure -- and we're off and running...going to be interesting to be sure. Just remember -- we looked bad against VT a few years ago and did all right that season.
Wow! Lot of excellent points here. I can't argue with any one of those. Few things I want to mention:
1. Announcers during the game said that Daboll, Locksley wanted to try new things and see what worked and what didn't work against FSU defense.
2. I love Jalen Hurts, but there was plenty of opportunities that he missed throughout the game. We have to remember that it'll take few games for him to be comfortable in the pocket and make his reads. HE's lot better than he was last year.
3. The FSU defense was one of the best Bama will face this year, so I think it actually benefited Daboll and Hurts because they will get better from this game.
4. I don't think They opened the playbook against FSU. Lot of plays were basic plays.
5. We have to remember that the OL did not give Hurts time to make his reads and throw the ball.
6. His deep ball throws are better. Rugg dropped the ball and he slightly over thew one to Ridley.
1. Announcers during the game said that Daboll, Locksley wanted to try new things and see what worked and what didn't work against FSU defense.
2. I love Jalen Hurts, but there was plenty of opportunities that he missed throughout the game. We have to remember that it'll take few games for him to be comfortable in the pocket and make his reads. HE's lot better than he was last year.
3. The FSU defense was one of the best Bama will face this year, so I think it actually benefited Daboll and Hurts because they will get better from this game.
4. I don't think They opened the playbook against FSU. Lot of plays were basic plays.
5. We have to remember that the OL did not give Hurts time to make his reads and throw the ball.
6. His deep ball throws are better. Rugg dropped the ball and he slightly over thew one to Ridley.
I hope it is not gone entirely.
We joke about it from the Shula years, but there is a place for a 300 d-lineman as a blocking fullback.
How can u learn anything about yourself being "vanilla"? Did we find out what we have on offense?
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It seemed like a lot of our pass plays were "long developing" and with the STAT being less than 2 seconds at times there was little chance for JH to hit those.
Surely we have some shorter crossing routes and drag routes, but I don't remember much of that. And I thought we'd see a tight end target or 2 but no.
But the slant at the goal line with Cam Sims being open (pic earlier in thread) is a good example of a good play call but JH bailing way too soon. That should have been an easy ready and throw for a guy at the level, but apparently he didn't even see it.
Surely we have some shorter crossing routes and drag routes, but I don't remember much of that. And I thought we'd see a tight end target or 2 but no.
But the slant at the goal line with Cam Sims being open (pic earlier in thread) is a good example of a good play call but JH bailing way too soon. That should have been an easy ready and throw for a guy at the level, but apparently he didn't even see it.
It appeared Hurts was having problems processing information fast enough. Granted, the FSU defense looked like yellow jackets flying around. But the game looked too fast for him for most of the night when it came to dropping back, reading the defense and getting the ball out to the right spot. He missed several reads other than the Cam Sims one on the goal line.
I kind of question not running the ball around the goal line. However, I do think stuff like that will be reviewed in film and revised. O-line needs work ( caveat: being that we did play one heck of a defense and they had all spring, summer and fall to prepare for us and had a great game plan). We have three weeks to work out the details and fine tune things. Until then, we might want to relax a little when it comes to the OC and the rest of the staff right now.
Before the game I thought 3 or 4 plays would decide the outcome. I think that was the case - the non-call of Tony Brown's pass interference in the endzone, the blocked field goal, the blocked punt, and the fumbled kickoff. Those were the plays that gave us the momentum and allowed us to seal the deal.
Offensively, I think we did okay, considering it was the first game of the season and the first game with a new OC. But we need to develop a passing attack. We had less than 100 yards passing, and more than half of those yards came on one play. I'm a big fan of Hurts, but he needs to learn to be more patient. I think if I was Daboll I'd tell him that the next time he tucks it and runs, instead of avoiding the rush and looking for an open receiver downfield, he's benched. If he won't do that, then maybe it's time to give Tua a look. I know that the pass blocking by the OL was not great, but on the few times Hurts did look downfield instead of just running out of the pocket, he found an open receiver. He depends too much on his running ability. I hope Daboll can teach him to only run as a last resort.
Offensively, I think we did okay, considering it was the first game of the season and the first game with a new OC. But we need to develop a passing attack. We had less than 100 yards passing, and more than half of those yards came on one play. I'm a big fan of Hurts, but he needs to learn to be more patient. I think if I was Daboll I'd tell him that the next time he tucks it and runs, instead of avoiding the rush and looking for an open receiver downfield, he's benched. If he won't do that, then maybe it's time to give Tua a look. I know that the pass blocking by the OL was not great, but on the few times Hurts did look downfield instead of just running out of the pocket, he found an open receiver. He depends too much on his running ability. I hope Daboll can teach him to only run as a last resort.
A lot of excuses. But Jalen still has happy feet, and only looks for 1 receiver. If Calvin is not open on initial look.... The kids running... And that don't work well with a spy on him.
The Interior OL was horrible last year and was coached by Key....now Key coaches the entire OL, and guess what the entire OL struggled last night really bad. Coincidence?
FSU defense might be great, I don't know..... But if the OL doesn't get better fast and Jalen doesn't learn to stand in pocket or step up and go thru a few progressions the defense is not going to old up all season playing that many snaps.
It's reality. And I'm not sure either can be fixed because I do not have faith in the OL coach and Daboll is not really a QB coach.... Weinke and The ex Ole miss coach can only give Daboll guidance and not coach up Jalen.
Jalen saved a ton of sacks last night though because that OL was pathetic at best. So I can understand the happy feet.... But not sure he will ever go thru his progressions either way.
I hope I'm wrong and they get it fixed. I'm pulling for them all!
The Interior OL was horrible last year and was coached by Key....now Key coaches the entire OL, and guess what the entire OL struggled last night really bad. Coincidence?
FSU defense might be great, I don't know..... But if the OL doesn't get better fast and Jalen doesn't learn to stand in pocket or step up and go thru a few progressions the defense is not going to old up all season playing that many snaps.
It's reality. And I'm not sure either can be fixed because I do not have faith in the OL coach and Daboll is not really a QB coach.... Weinke and The ex Ole miss coach can only give Daboll guidance and not coach up Jalen.
Jalen saved a ton of sacks last night though because that OL was pathetic at best. So I can understand the happy feet.... But not sure he will ever go thru his progressions either way.
I hope I'm wrong and they get it fixed. I'm pulling for them all!
I was right there with you until I went back to look at the film. Great play design if Jalen decides to give Cam a chance...he's wide open.
But he'd already made up his mind to take off running if he got pressure, but Cam is....again...wide open.
So...decent play design. Poor execution.
And I've defended Jalen against the world since he set foot on campus. Still do. But this one's on him and his happy feet.
Edit: Jalen also has to see/know that he's gonna have a spy on him every game. On this play, he has two (the middle backer (6) and the safety at the top of the screen (20) ).
I agree, I think Hurt's biggest weakness ATM is that he seems to give up on the play and run too early. Just my completely untrained and unprofessional opinion. That and he seems to have a habit of running backwards to escape pressure instead of stepping up. I understand a shaky pocket doesn't help his confidence though.
When he starts concentrating on prolonging the passing play with his legs instead of just taking off, I think we will really be cooking with peanut oil.
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I think Coach Daboll used just what we needed to win the game, because our Defense was playing lights out. We still have Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn on the schedule. Why give them any early film study on our Offense? Besides, don't get me wrong screen passes are an effective play when blocked and executed correctly but, our Offensive line hasn't quite jelled yet and the O with a new OC. Also with a team that has that type of speed on Defense (like FSU), it might be better to be more (how you say) vanilla and be satisfied with what we could get and let the Defense stay the game for us. Could we have done more, called different plays we didn't call? Maybe, who knows. But, it might of been better to do just what we did. JMO (and I'm probably wrong..lol)
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Well when your tackles are getting bullied by ends, and your receivers and their
defenders are fighting to a draw your options are very limited. The only clear
advantages either side had in the skill positions when we had the ball was
Ridley and James unless they were matched up against each other. I give Jalen
an A for managing the game.
Maybe. Who knows
If you don’t believe FSU was a great defense then I would
like to know what you think a great defense is. We probably score 35-40+ points
the next 7 games until we play LSU. Im not sure LSU is as complete on defense
as FSU, but I know for a fact they are not as complete on offense (before the
injury to the FSU qb). Francois’s ability played a huge role in how we played
the game on offense.
Really? You deserve an
Okay, but unless Tennessee or Arkansas have legit defenses, or we have some bad injuries then
its safe to say the biggest defensive challenge we have in the next 7 weeks is
Dandy Vandy. We may get into a shootout with aTm but I doubt it. So I think
that is ample time to correct things. Kiffin’s WVU game was a bad showing as
well, but his UF game the same year was grea. UF clearly was far better at
defense than WVU, but we struggled more against WVU. That’s a 3 week turnaround
on offense. And what are you basing that Daboll isnt a great QB coach off of?
There is a reason Wienke is only an analyst and not a
position coach or coordinator.
So are you against Jalen running or not???? Anyways have
another
JH grew up relying on his athletic ability...it bailed him out time and again. He did not HAVE to learn to read a defense thoroughly to move his team. I am afraid that this is a little late in the game to change his modus operandi. He reads 1 throw and then takes off. If he ever does any more than that for any length of time, Coach Daboll will be Coach of the Year.
As for changing QB's -- I don't see it happening. Teams will play us with a spy on JH and we will run over the weaker one's and struggle with the stronger ones. My hope is that in the next 3 games he either proves me wrong or we try Tua.
As for changing QB's -- I don't see it happening. Teams will play us with a spy on JH and we will run over the weaker one's and struggle with the stronger ones. My hope is that in the next 3 games he either proves me wrong or we try Tua.
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