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RollTide_HTTR

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I didn't say what I hoped...but what I believe will happen. CNS just doesn't change QB's...ever. He even stuck with BS when he was horrible at the first of the AU game.
There are a few differences in the situations. Sims didn't restrict our offense in the same way and JH has had 2 years and still struggles with the same stuff and causing the same issues for the team. Also, who the heck did we have behind Sims that had the same promise Tua has?

I get your point for sure and don't disagree. I do think this is different though and its why I'm holding out hope Tua gets a package or something.
 
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JustNeedMe81

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Yall keep mentioning the OL not blocking well or giving the QB time, then don't call 5sec materializing, 1 receiver patterns! You cannot expect the OL to hold blocks for 3-5 seconds every down. It especially won't work if we're behind the chains. Don't put all this on the OL. Same as with any position...play calling can help them tremendously!
Again, I've pointed this out before, we rarely have been behind the chains.... I posted the stats few threads ago or in other threads.
 

PA Tide Fan

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I certainly hope that both B1GTide and TIDE_HSV are right that Saban might be open to putting Tua in the game if the offense is having a hard time, but I'd still be surprised if he does. I don't know if he'd want to open himself up to a large amount of criticism if it fails. There's always normal criticism from us Bama fans when we lose a game but I'm thinking more about the national audience. People like the pundits who appear on ESPN and national sportswriters, people who may not be Alabama fans but have to cover the game. Those people may not have seen the throws Tua has made so if Tua comes in and throws an INT right away those people are going to say " How could Saban put a Freshman into a playoff game when he has only played mop-up duty during the season?" Of course Coach Saban has proven he's not totally risk averse by trying the onside kick 2 years ago but I have doubts he'd change QB's. I hope I'm wrong.
 

CrimsonForce

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I always liked that line from the Eagles: "You can see the stats but still not see the light".
I always like that quote "what's the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." If Damien Harris only has 6 carries against Clemson like he did against AU then we'll lose again..
 

gman4tide

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Again, I've pointed this out before, we rarely have been behind the chains.... I posted the stats few threads ago or in other threads.
I agree and yes you have. Doesn't change the fact that it won't work well IF we're behind the chains. And, I'll add, when I say behind the chains, I'm meaning 3rd and 5+. The OL won't succeed against that DL often if we're at 3rd and 6 and run 20-30 yard outs/go's. That's all I'm saying.
 

Maxbama

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IRT to our RBs, yes we did. Our RBs combined for 18 carries. Jalen had 18 carries. AU RBs combined for 36 carries. The fact of the matter is we didn't feed our RBs enough. There's no logical explanation for why, over the course of the entire game, Damien Harris only had 6 carries..
It's because we could not convert 3rd downs.
 

gman4tide

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Those people may not have seen the throws Tua has made so if Tua comes in and throws an INT right away those people are going to say " How could Saban put a Freshman into a playoff game when he has only played mop-up duty during the season?"
How could Saban put an 18yo freshman into an opening season game vs USC...and stay with him after he fumbled, and lost, his first snap from scrimmage? Hind sight is like 40/40 or something...
 

UAH

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I would have agreed with you prior to the AU game. After that, I think Jalen's position has become conditional. JMO, again, but I think Jalen will start with the condition that he's got to get the ball out of his hands. I believe that the game plan will revolve around that - utilizing the receivers and RBs. If he won't or can't and the game starts going in the direction of the AU game, I think you will see Tua...
Very thoughtful comment. I know Saban would not allow himself to engage in self recrimination but it occurred to me that over the last year he thought about how beneficial it would be to have Cooper Bateman there to play in certain situations while Jalen and Tua matured. Bateman likely has many second thoughts himself. With all the talent Bama has is has been proven that the QB's job has been to get the ball in the hands of the play makers. This is obviously useless conjecture but when I came back to the computer to see all of the discussion about playing Tua I realized just how much our confidence level has been shaken. At least at some level there is surely some of that going on in Tuscaloosa as well.
 

Maxbama

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I certainly hope that both B1GTide and TIDE_HSV are right that Saban might be open to putting Tua in the game if the offense is having a hard time, but I'd still be surprised if he does. I don't know if he'd want to open himself up to a large amount of criticism if it fails. There's always normal criticism from us Bama fans when we lose a game but I'm thinking more about the national audience. People like the pundits who appear on ESPN and national sportswriters, people who may not be Alabama fans but have to cover the game. Those people may not have seen the throws Tua has made so if Tua comes in and throws an INT right away those people are going to say " How could Saban put a Freshman into a playoff game when he has only played mop-up duty during the season?" Of course Coach Saban has proven he's not totally risk averse by trying the onside kick 2 years ago but I have doubts he'd change QB's. I hope I'm wrong.
Without a doubt, Coach Saban does not care what any pundit ever says. If it improves our chance to win the game - he will do it. We (fans) need to trust his judgement. He knows a lot more about what is going on then we do.
 

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How could Saban put an 18yo freshman into an opening season game vs USC...and stay with him after he fumbled, and lost, his first snap from scrimmage? Hind sight is like 40/40 or something...
Well, I don't think that was the same because last season everyone knew Bama was trying to find a replacement for Coker and that we'd have to try different QB's before settling on one. Both Hurts and BB were inexperienced so many expected some turnovers from both until someone established themselves. In this case however we have an experienced QB who might be replaced by a Freshman so I think criticism would be fierce by some if it wouldn't work out. I hope Coach Saban can put that all aside however and play whichever QB will give us the best chance to win.
 

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I certainly hope that both B1GTide and TIDE_HSV are right that Saban might be open to putting Tua in the game if the offense is having a hard time, but I'd still be surprised if he does. I don't know if he'd want to open himself up to a large amount of criticism if it fails. There's always normal criticism from us Bama fans when we lose a game but I'm thinking more about the national audience. People like the pundits who appear on ESPN and national sportswriters, people who may not be Alabama fans but have to cover the game. Those people may not have seen the throws Tua has made so if Tua comes in and throws an INT right away those people are going to say " How could Saban put a Freshman into a playoff game when he has only played mop-up duty during the season?" Of course Coach Saban has proven he's not totally risk averse by trying the onside kick 2 years ago but I have doubts he'd change QB's. I hope I'm wrong.
I don't think Saban gives a toot what these "pundits" think. At least, I hope he doesn't.
 

B1GTide

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Interesting thing on Jalen Hurts is that he has an 85 percent rating for the whole season according to PFF article I posted in the other thread.
Those stats are based on awesome numbers in games against air and weak performances against teams with a defense. They delegitimize the who system, IMO.
 

LA4Bama

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If we've been in 3rd and short more than not and our 3rd down conversion rates are this poor, it's worse than I thought!
Against AUB we had

3n3 -- ran for 2-- punted
3n5 -- IP -- punted
3n3 -- ran for 2, but we converted 4n1 on the next play
3n4 -- IP -- punted
3n5 -- Complete to Bo for 4-- punted
3n4 --> 3n9 (due to a penalty) -- IP (wild throw to endzone) -- botched field goal
3n2 -- 1st down on Jalen run
3n7 -- 1st down on Jalen run
3n4 --> bad snaps lead to 4n4 -- Foster gets 3
3n7 -- 1st down on Jalen run
3n22 -- IP

2 of the 11 3rd downs didn't run plays (penalty and botched snap). Of the remaining 9, we converted 3, the only converted 3rd downs being Jalen's runs. The converted 4th down was also a JH run. Are you guys really sure you want Jalen running less?

There was a touchdown to Jeudy, but besides that there were zero first downs by pass!! :(
 

B1GTide

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Without a doubt, Coach Saban does not care what any pundit ever says. If it improves our chance to win the game - he will do it. We (fans) need to trust his judgement. He knows a lot more about what is going on then we do.
I don't blindly trust anyone. Saban is human. He is not some infallible machine. We trust now because we have no better option, and because he is probably worthy of that trust. But we also know that he has a HUGE ego. We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
 

UAH

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I certainly hope that both B1GTide and TIDE_HSV are right that Saban might be open to putting Tua in the game if the offense is having a hard time, but I'd still be surprised if he does. I don't know if he'd want to open himself up to a large amount of criticism if it fails. There's always normal criticism from us Bama fans when we lose a game but I'm thinking more about the national audience. People like the pundits who appear on ESPN and national sportswriters, people who may not be Alabama fans but have to cover the game. Those people may not have seen the throws Tua has made so if Tua comes in and throws an INT right away those people are going to say " How could Saban put a Freshman into a playoff game when he has only played mop-up duty during the season?" Of course Coach Saban has proven he's not totally risk averse by trying the onside kick 2 years ago but I have doubts he'd change QB's. I hope I'm wrong.
I have felt that it is unlikely that we would see Tua with no previous sign of considering it this season. If only for a series in the first half in earlier games. I would confidently say that there certainly isn't anyone around ABC/ESPN/SEC who isn't keenly aware of what an extraordinary talent Tua is. Without a national championship this year consider how loud the drumbeat will be in the Spring.
 

LA4Bama

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I don't blindly trust anyone. Saban is human. He is not some infallible machine. We trust now because we have no better option, and because he is probably worthy of that trust. But we also know that he has a HUGE ego. We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
I trust coach Saban because he watches the actual film and has other people who are objective watch the film. He is far more well-informed than everyone on this board added together.
 

B1GTide

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I trust coach Saban because he watches the actual film and has other people who are objective watch the film. He is far more well-informed than everyone on this board added together.
I trust him to put together a solid game plan and have the team as well prepared for Clemson as they possibly can be. But I do not trust him to see his blind spots - and QB is a huge blind spot for him.
 

TiderJack

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I trust him to put together a solid game plan and have the team as well prepared for Clemson as they possibly can be. But I do not trust him to see his blind spots - and QB is a huge blind spot for him.
Because Jalen played a bad game against Auburn? How is that a "huge" blind spot?
 

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