Alabama QB competition article

Wow, didn't expect to see Jalen play. So I guess the question still looms as to the plan for Jalen Hurts with respect to the new RS rule. If the RS route is the plan why in the world waste one of the games on Arkansas St? Stay tuned folks, this may have a twist that none of us were expecting...

I completely perplexed by the whole thing. Several people received the same info that an agreement had been reached to RS and only play in an injury emergency?

That information had to have been wrong or 'things changed' because it made NO SENSE to waste a game on Arky St.

The only conclusion we are left with is that Jalen IS NOT red-shirting this season. So no matter how things play out IF he graduate transfers he will only have 1 year left.

Maybe and this is a total guess..... An agreement was made that Jalen will receive 1st string attentive QB coaching by Enos regardless if he's the backup to prepare him for his next destination and in return Jalen will give us 1 more year of his eligibility??

I dunno though like I say I'm totally puzzled by this whole situation.
 
Maybe Coach is letting him display some passing talent against lesser opponents (and still stay within the 4 game limit) to enhance his chances of landing with a good team after the season. It doesn't help Bama at all, but may help Jalen.

I completely perplexed by the whole thing. Several people received the same info that an agreement had been reached to RS and only play in an injury emergency?
That information had to have been wrong or 'things changed' because it made NO SENSE to waste a game on Arky St.The only conclusion we are left with is that Jalen IS NOT red-shirting this season. So no matter how things play out IF he graduate transfers he will only have 1 year left.

Maybe and this is a total guess..... An agreement was made that Jalen will receive 1st string attentive QB coaching by Enos regardless if he's the backup to prepare him for his next destination and in return Jalen will give us 1 more year of his eligibility??
I dunno though like I say I'm totally puzzled by this whole situation.
 
First, let's let this sink in a bit. Tua, who has looked incredibly polished, has a rating each game of 235 and 238, needs reps? C'mon, any jitters or what not he might have had are out the window. He's been getting first team reps in practice, he's the one who is playing when the game is still close, and he's also been inserted in some situations like at the end of half. That's not random, Saban wants Tua to get the meaningful snaps.

It's kind of like some people are just so unhappy Hurts is being allowed to see the field, that they forget Tua banging his head and looking shook up. Tua isn't built like Hurts, his being hurt already caused him to miss time in the spring. Which is really more important? Tua throwing for 5 TDs in a blowout, or Tua staying fresh and healthy? So, if nothing else Hurts is eating up some shots that Tua doesn't have to be exposed to. I don't know Saban's plan in terms of exactly how he intends to use Hurts, but as long as Alabama is scoring 50 points a game, it is hard to find fault with it.

As to the last part. First, I never questioned Tua's skill. The only thing I did question at all was how prepared he was, and I think that's answered. So ironically that's been switched around, now I'm the one saying look he's good to go, and other people are like wait Tua isn't ready yet, give him more reps! Tua is the man, he's the starter. That's that. Hurts is the one that, demonstrated by his regression late last season and struggles managing the situation in A-Day and against Louisville, needs some reps to work the kinks out. I find no reason to be upset that Hurts is allowed to play.

Why is Jalen allowed to drink Gatorade??? Some of that Gatorade could be for TUA. It's taking potential electrolytes away from TUA!!!!
 
I wondered also how long Coach would keep Tua on the field with a big lead. Late in the third there was Tua on a designed run. I was drawn up in a knot and hollering where is the third string QB? Who is calling a designed run for starting QB when we have a big lead?:eek: :rolleyes: :eek2:
 
From Jess's Arkansas State Wrap-up :

2. Fans calling for more Tua, less Jalen miss the point. We don’t get off into messages to the fans often, but this one needs to be said: There is no reason for Tua Tagovailoa to play more than is absolutely necessary against lesser opponents. He doesn’t need the reps; he’s already had experience on the big stage. He will learn more from one scrimmage against his own secondary than he ever would from 60 minutes against Arkansas State. ...
 
That's a fair point....

However, I would counter that Jalen doesn't need the reps against Arky St either and especially IF we were going to only play him 4 games max and preserve his RS. Won't learn anything either. Jalen has had moderate success against cupcakes. That's not the question with him.

But Mac Jones DOES need the live game passing reps. Not dive handoffs in the 4th but running the entire offense and passing in the 2nd or 3rd.

He's the guy who will be here next year and if prepped could help us in an emergency this year where downfield passing were needed to win.

If we don't get Mac up to speed we could be setting ourselves up for a Colt McCoy/Garrett Gilbert situation of unpreparedness in a pivotal game.
 
My thoughts:

I was expecting Jalen not to play last night and I don't know why Mac didnt get more playing time.

This may get more interesting. It's possible that Jalen may not want to transfer, or want to play this season. No matter what, it is Jalen's decision. If he wants to play this season, then we need to show support for Tua and Jalen together as a whole.

Jalen played well yesterday and I think he needed the game to show he can improve. We will never know what happened behind the scene between Jalen, his dad and Saban, but guys... it's time to focus on bigger picture. We are incredible good on offense... let's enjoy the show.

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I thought Jalen had his best game in a very long time. He stayed in the pocket and delivered several accurate throws. Glad for him !


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I thought Jalen had his best game in a very long time. He stayed in the pocket and delivered several accurate throws. Glad for him !


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Nobody has ever doubted Jalen's ability to deliver against foes with lesser talent.


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That's a fair point....

However, I would counter that Jalen doesn't need the reps against Arky St either and especially IF we were going to only play him 4 games max and preserve his RS. Won't learn anything either. Jalen has had moderate success against cupcakes. That's not the question with him.

But Mac Jones DOES need the live game passing reps. Not dive handoffs in the 4th but running the entire offense and passing in the 2nd or 3rd.

He's the guy who will be here next year and if prepped could help us in an emergency this year where downfield passing were needed to win.

If we don't get Mac up to speed we could be setting ourselves up for a Colt McCoy/Garrett Gilbert situation of unpreparedness in a pivotal game.

I'm thinking these four games are his audition tapes for those interested in his brand.


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I can understand the logic of pulling Tua when we have a nice lead in order to keep him healthy for the tougher games, but what I don't understand is why they don't wait until halftime to rest him. What we have here is Tua getting replaced by Jalen only to have Tua return to the game later. Why the back and forth? It would seem to make more sense to let Tua give us a 30-0 lead and then let the backup QB's play the rest of the game.
 
I'm thinking these four games are his audition tapes for those interested in his brand.


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Maybe.... I'm honestly not even sure where he would go as a QB?

You would think he'd want to go play back in his home state of Texas.....

But AFAIK Texas, TCU, Texas Tech, A&M, Houston, and Baylor all have Starters that are FR, SO, and/or JR's and will all return next year.

There's not much left but Rice and SMU after that.

The only other place I can think of that might give him a call right away is CLK at FAU......but then again his starter is a FR.

We'll see I guess.
 
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I'm not really sure how we're managing the QB situation. It is weird but the head man has 6 natties so he has the benefit of the doubt.
 
I can understand the logic of pulling Tua when we have a nice lead in order to keep him healthy for the tougher games, but what I don't understand is why they don't wait until halftime to rest him. What we have here is Tua getting replaced by Jalen only to have Tua return to the game later. Why the back and forth? It would seem to make more sense to let Tua give us a 30-0 lead and then let the backup QB's play the rest of the game.
^^^^ THIS 1000%.

It's not a problem for both to play. The problem is switching them in and out. You can feel the continuity and energy of the offense get off track and out of sync.

TBH Tua wasn't his sharpest yesterday but it didn't help that he was yanked in and out right as he got going. It's like it took a few throws to for him to kind of get his mojo going.....

It's throwing the WR's off a bit too having to go back and forth adjusting to each guys delivery. Maybe that's jmo though.
 
Looks like Saban is slowly working a way to name Jalen as starter again.

Lol no he’s not. It’s freakin Arkansas State, we we’re gonna beat em by 40 anyway, I’m fine with the QB swapping this game, and I promise you that Tua will play all week next week unless it’s a blowout. This was nothing more than a confidence booster for Jalen, he was really good yesterday, just not as good as Tua, his job is safe and we have a very good backup. Like Aaron Rodgers says “relax”.
 
First, let's let this sink in a bit. Tua, who has looked incredibly polished, has a rating each game of 235 and 238, needs reps? C'mon, any jitters or what not he might have had are out the window. He's been getting first team reps in practice, he's the one who is playing when the game is still close, and he's also been inserted in some situations like at the end of half. That's not random, Saban wants Tua to get the meaningful snaps.

It's kind of like some people are just so unhappy Hurts is being allowed to see the field, that they forget Tua banging his head and looking shook up. Tua isn't built like Hurts, his being hurt already caused him to miss time in the spring. Which is really more important? Tua throwing for 5 TDs in a blowout, or Tua staying fresh and healthy? So, if nothing else Hurts is eating up some shots that Tua doesn't have to be exposed to. I don't know Saban's plan in terms of exactly how he intends to use Hurts, but as long as Alabama is scoring 50 points a game, it is hard to find fault with it.

As to the last part. First, I never questioned Tua's skill. The only thing I did question at all was how prepared he was, and I think that's answered. So ironically that's been switched around, now I'm the one saying look he's good to go, and other people are like wait Tua isn't ready yet, give him more reps! Tua is the man, he's the starter. That's that. Hurts is the one that, demonstrated by his regression late last season and struggles managing the situation in A-Day and against Louisville, needs some reps to work the kinks out. I find no reason to be upset that Hurts is allowed to play.

I'm with the sentiment that wants to see Jalen play but I understand the desire to see the playing time distributed differently. I don't think it is as black and white as you portray. It's not that some don't want Jalen to play, they just prefer a different distribution. They would prefer that Tua get more than 6 series and that they would be contiguous. Like this: Tua play all of the first half and maybe the first series of the 2nd, then if the game is in hand, have Jalen play the remainder of the game. I believe in that scenario most would be satisfied. But anyway it's not that they don't want Jalen to play. Btw, Tua can improve and his timing with his receivers can improve. That's what some are concerned about, not that Jalen is playing. Most are happy that he is playing and having success, they just don't want it to threaten overall team success. Obviously, CNS sees things differently.
 
It's not that some don't want Jalen to play, they just prefer a different distribution.
This is the first year Alabama has an actual QB coach. Also Hurts never really had a veteran QB to learn from, so there wasn't as much learning on the sideline in the past couple years as there can be now. When Tua is in Hurts can watch and I assume pick the brain of the QB coach if he notices something. The inverse is true as well though, Tua can come out and discuss what the defense is doing and watch them and learn. Then the QB goes back out there and can execute based on what he's learned. I think we're at a different stage at the moment, and I don't think Saban is randomly swapping them in and out. I think a lot of this is about learning and developing, which yes might cost continuity, but that's a short term loss.

He did this to some extent with Tua last year. He tried to work him in earlier, he wasn't always able to (and early on Tua was a lot shakier), but the idea was get him ready just in case. I think what ever the long term plan is, there's certainly an element of get Hurts ready just in case. I don't think this is something we'd see late in the season, it just seems to me it's all about preparing Alabama for the tougher part of the schedule.
 
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