Game Thread: Gators vs. Canes - 7pm (ET), ESPN - TONIGHT!

[81usaf92]

It's deplorable that they booed him. They had him playing behind a sieve for an OL and it wrecked him. (I'm referring to when his injury problems began).

What hit me last night was the massive debate over the 2012 QB class, between Luck and RG3. Now both have basically been physically broken, and out of the league (can't remember if RG3 is still playing, but he's certainly a shell of his former physical self).

RGIII is still in the league, but as a backup for lamaar jackson.

I think pushing Manning out, and pushing Luck in at the speed they did probably was the worst decision they made. I dont know if Manning was capable of winning a SB for the Colts at that point in time , but Luck wouldve probably benefited being behind him and adjusting to the speed and physicality of the NFL instead of being thrown to the sharks so early.

But the RGIII vs Luck debate is a lot like the Winston vs Mariotta debate. I think drafting these types of qbs is like buying a Great Dane. Yes they are very nice for 5 years, but their health goes to hell after that. Brady and Manning survived for all those years because they knew or found out quick that throwing the ball away was a lot better than trying to make a play with your feet. Hell Brady just recently got his 1,000 yard rushing for his career late last year after 17 years as a starter. Mobile qbs a destined for this type of reality. If you notice Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Wilson don't scramble and run as much as they use to, and are more likely to throw it away under pressure.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

RGIII is still in the league, but as a backup for lamaar jackson.

I think pushing Manning out, and pushing Luck in at the speed they did probably was the worst decision they made. I dont know if Manning was capable of winning a SB, but Luck wouldve probably benefited being behind him and adjusting to the speed and physicality of the NFL instead of being thrown to the sharks so early.

But the RGIII vs Luck debate is a lot like the Winston vs Mariotta debate. I think drafting these types of qbs is like buying a Great Dane. Yes they are very nice for 5 years, but their health goes to hell after that. Brady and Manning survived for all those years because they knew or found out quick that throwing the ball away was a lot better than trying to make a play with your feet. Hell Brady got his 1,000 yard rushing late last year after 17 years as a starter. Mobile qbs a destined for this type of reality. If you notice Rodgers, Roethlisberger, and Wilson don't scramble and run as much as they use to, and are more likely to throw it away under pressure.

Tua and Jalen will need to learn to throw it away as well or they will see the same fate in the league.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

It was the first game, and as Mullen indicated in his post game, there were A LOT of mistakes that will probably get corrected as the season goes on. But they're not winning a championship with Franks. That, IMO, isn't getting fixed. Georgia will suffocate their offense with Franks behind center.

 

[81usaf92]

Tua and Jalen will need to learn to throw it away as well or they will see the same fate in the league.

Alot of my NFL sidewalk friends keep trying to tell me mahomes and Mayfield are the next Brady, Manning, Montana, Staubach, and Starr in that they are going to be that quarterback that wins alot and has alot of years. But Im always reminded that Luck was looked at the same way, but finished with 0 SBs, and 1 AFCCG appearance after just 7 seasons. I think what happens is that the NFL exposes every twitch you make and every blade of grass you tear and it is impossible to expect seasons upon seasons of clowning these defenses. The pro level is an occupation, while the college level is an internship. These guys do nothing but obsess over trying to figure out your weaknesses.

I think Reggie Bush said it best. After one season of juking he said he realized that defensive linemen run just as fast as him, and that the sideline isn't a bad thing to aim for. I mean, I was surrounded by these casual college fans thinking Manziel's skill set was going revolutionize the NFL, but I kept seeing linemen catch him from behind.

Point is you can out athlete the NFL for so long before they figure out how to catch you and do serious harm to your body. The key to longevity in the NFL is figuring out ways to avoid unnecessary contact.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Alot of my NFL sidewalk friends keep trying to tell me mahomes and Mayfield are the next Brady, Manning, Montana, Staubach, and Starr in that they are going to be that quarterback that wins alot and has alot of years. But Im always reminded that Luck was looked at the same way, but finished with 0 SBs, and 1 AFCCG appearance after just 7 seasons. I think what happens is that the NFL exposes every twitch you make and every blade of grass you tear and it is impossible to expect seasons upon seasons of clowning these defenses. The pro level is an occupation, while the college level is an internship. These guys do nothing but obsess over trying to figure out your weaknesses.

I think Reggie Bush said it best. After one season of juking he said he realized that defensive linemen run just as fast as him, and that the sideline isn't a bad thing to aim for. I mean, I was surrounded by these casual college fans thinking Manziel's skill set was going revolutionize the NFL, but I kept seeing linemen catch him from behind.

Point is you can out athlete the NFL for so long before they figure out how to catch you and do serious harm to your body. The key to longevity in the NFL is figuring out ways to avoid unnecessary contact.

Franco Harris was the master of it.

 

[UAH]

It was the first game, and as Mullen indicated in his post game, there were A LOT of mistakes that will probably get corrected as the season goes on. But they're not winning a championship with Franks. That, IMO, isn't getting fixed. Georgia will suffocate their offense with Franks behind center.

I think that I need to wait until next week to see how Bama compares to either of these teams. I did come away wondering where Dan Enos will find himself coaching next year after seeing Miami's offensive line and QB play last night. I tend to believe that the pundits are greatly underestimating the quality of Alabama's offensive line and offense in general in comparison to what we saw last night. Difficult to see that Florida team with their QB beating LSU or Georgia with some other possible blemishes as well from Auburn or Tennessee. With apologies to Bazza!

 

[BamaFlum]

Luck, RG3, Manzeil, etc need to be case studies for all young mobile QB’s with aspirations to play in the NFL. Your body can only take so much punishment and there are smarter ways to keep playing (Steve Young would be a good example).


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[rgw]

Franks probably didn't even get exposed as bad as he could've been either. A team with a bit different approach would probably be able to pressure him more and really highlight Franks' incredibly slow throwing motion. He basically can't throw a pass once you make him start moving because his wind up is slow enough that the rusher is like to make up enough space to cause a fumble or tipped pass. Miami had a young secondary so after getting burned by easy money short throws on the first couple of drives, they kinda just sat back for the most part.

I'd be surprised if this Florida offense could score a single offensive touchdown v. Georgia. They have time to get better but they're starting much lower than I think anyone expected after their strong 2018 finish. Defense is a threat with Grantham's aggression because they have so much defensive front seven depth from the looks of it. His idiotic tendency for emotional blitzing is covered down by the ability to rotate fresh bodies and just make it work anyway. That is hard to know for sure though because I think Miami may have one of the worst offensive lines Florida is like to see from a P5 opponent. Tackling was bad but they were basically playing in reclaimed swamp land a week earlier than everyone else. It has been a Grantham problem though. Lots of sacks and TFLs but a handful busts and missed tackles in space leads to 4 or 5 touchdowns.

Bentley, Burrow, Franks, and/or Mond were suppose to take a huge leap and become the 3rd position behind Tua and Fromm thus leading their team to legit contention. Not looking good for Florida right now. At the moment they're a solid team without a quarterback. You put Miami's freshman QB behind center for Florida and they're probably a real threat...

 

[TideEngineer08]

Anyone else feeling like you just sat down at a 5 star restaurant, got a small appetizer, and then was told to leave?

 

[GrayTide]

It was the first game, and as Mullen indicated in his post game, there were A LOT of mistakes that will probably get corrected as the season goes on. But they're not winning a championship with Franks. That, IMO, isn't getting fixed. Georgia will suffocate their offense with Franks behind center.

I agree with Buzz on this. A lot can be overlooked as first game jitters and mental mistakes, but I do not believe Franks can get them past UGA, LSU, and Auburn. It will be interesting to see Mullen's commitment to Franks or bring in their highly recruited freshman from last year, Emory Jones.

 

[mlh]

It's hard to tell a lot from one game, especially the season opener, but both teams looked bad. I think we can put the Franks hype to bed. UF will not beat LSU or UGA and may lose to AU. And Miami looked like a bunch of thugs, showing off their bling on the sideline while their QB got sacked 10 times. Pitiful.

 

[Tidewater]

Feleipe Franks needs to spend a little less time working the camera on the sidelines and a little more time working on getting consistent with his reads and his throws. When he's good, he's great. When he's a bit off, the stinks on ice.Absolutely terrible. And you never know which Franks you're going to get at the snap of the ball.

 

[Mystical]

Feline Franks needs to spend a little less time working the camera on the sidelines and a little more time working on getting consistent with his reads and his throws. When he's good, he's great. When he's a bit off, the stinks on ice.Absolutely terrible. And you never know which Franks you're going to get at the snap of the ball.

If this is the case he just needs better coaching. If there is a game where you come off the field and can say I was great today they can work with you. If you have never had one of those days no one can help you.

 

[UAH]

Feline Franks needs to spend a little less time working the camera on the sidelines and a little more time working on getting consistent with his reads and his throws. When he's good, he's great. When he's a bit off, the stinks on ice.Absolutely terrible. And you never know which Franks you're going to get at the snap of the ball.

That was an atrocious display! Only to throw a dying quail interception at his first next opportunity!

 

[rgw]

The discipline from Florida was also pitiful. They were acting more like canonical Da U than Da U itself but unlike prime era Da U they are not really good enough to withstand the lack of discipline.

 

[BAMAVILLE]

Too many question marks still remain about both teams. If both are able to clean them up they will be quality teams. A lot of posters were on point with the discipline issues, I understand a lot of it was due to the rivalry so hopefully that will get cleaned up as the season progresses.

Miami has the potential to run through their schedule if they take what they did wrong and dedicate themselves to fix it.

Florida still has a chance in the east but they have to dedicate themselves in the same manner to clean a lot of things up. They will not beat the mainstay teams in the SEC how they played last night though. Not to say they can't because they obviously did that last season ... but thats something they obviously can't count on season after season if they want to get back to being a program of dominance.

 

[Elefantman]

CDM needs to make the most out of this opportunity. He has two weeks and a lot of film to use in teaching this team on how to correct mistakes and improve. It will be interesting to see how they react and if they can be focused when they play TN Martin.

 

[EnterBama]

Feline Franks needs to spend a little less time working the camera on the sidelines and a little more time working on getting consistent with his reads and his throws. When he's good, he's great. When he's a bit off, the stinks on ice.Absolutely terrible. And you never know which Franks you're going to get at the snap of the ball.

I think Mullen chewed him out over his antics at one point but it didn't look like it took. Mullen may have to bench the kid again to get through his thick skull.

 

[TideWatcher]

By "chance in the east" I assume you mean one in a million.

Too many question marks still remain about both teams. If both are able to clean them up they will be quality teams. A lot of posters were on point with the discipline issues, I understand a lot of it was due to the rivalry so hopefully that will get cleaned up as the season progresses.

Miami has the potential to run through their schedule if they take what they did wrong and dedicate themselves to fix it.

Florida still has a chance in the east but they have to dedicate themselves in the same manner to clean a lot of things up. They will not beat the mainstay teams in the SEC how they played last night though. Not to say they can't because they obviously did that last season ... but thats something they obviously can't count on season after season if they want to get back to being a program of dominance.

 

[12Namath12]

Congrats Bazza!