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On Monday, will Tua Announce to Return to UA, or Declare for the NFL?

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B1GTide said:
I watched UM all season - they would have the best defense in the SEC in 2019. Their defense is better than GA's. Sometimes you have to understand that the other team has something to do with your failures, just as they do your successes.

Add the fact that you had very few possessions because your defense could not get UM off the field and you were not going to score many points.
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They were certainly the surest tackling defense we faced all year.
 
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If each player we think is staying makes an announcement, it would be fun for each to announce at 2:20 for the next few days thru Monday since it’s 2020.

Then Tua could announce at 2:26 for 2nd and 26... all this would go with the gif of the dominoes falling. LOL 🐘🏈
 
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Tua has an important meeting with doctors today in NYC. His family is with him and so are a few medical staff members from UA.

I wonder why NYC? I thought his surgery was in Texas? Maybe there is a better expert in NYC??
 
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B1GTide said:
I watched UM all season - they would have the best defense in the SEC in 2019. Their defense is better than GA's. Sometimes you have to understand that the other team has something to do with your failures, just as they do your successes.

Add the fact that you had very few possessions because your defense could not get UM off the field and you were not going to score many points.
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I'm surprised to hear that about their defense...but I'll defer to your assessment since you follow that league closer.

If so, it makes me feel a little better about our struggles in the first half.

I will say this. If UM would have had Mac Jones playing for them yesterday, I'm pretty sure they win the game. Thank goodness Patterson overthrew an open UM receiver that had a step on our guys 4 or 5 times in the game. Some of those would have gone for a TD, most likely.
 
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BamaMoon said:
I'm surprised to hear that about their defense...but I'll defer to your assessment since you follow that league closer.

If so, it makes me feel a little better about our struggles in the first half.

I will say this. If UM would have had Mac Jones playing for them yesterday, I'm pretty sure they win the game. Thank goodness Patterson overthrew an open UM receiver that had a step on our guys 4 or 5 times in the game. Some of those would have gone for a TD, most likely.
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Which illuminates our biggest issue, and it has nothing to do with our offense no matter who the QB is.
 
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BamaMoon said:
I will say this. If UM would have had Mac Jones playing for them yesterday, I'm pretty sure they win the game. Thank goodness Patterson overthrew an open UM receiver that had a step on our guys 4 or 5 times in the game. Some of those would have gone for a TD, most likely.
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They would certainly have scored more points with a real QB, but I think that Alabama finds a way to win the game.
 
I think Tua declares for the draft and we will be just fine with Mac. I'm not even sure as someone mentioned earlier he would be the issue in a shootout with Lawrence or Fields. If we get Devonta back we will have plenty of firepower on offense. Our issue will be getting the defense back to health and normal standards.

I think he goes pro because the Dolphins, Chargers, and Panthers all need a QB. Plus the discount for rookie QBs is phenomal when compared to paying a veteran $25M+. The difference between being picked #1 and #7 is going to be about $37M(1) to $24M(7). He probably goes 4-6 unless his progress has a big setback. I think Tua is a generational talent and one of those three teams is going to roll the dice on him. Rivers might play one more year and that would give Tua a chance to learn and rehab. The Dolphins could start Fitzmagic one more year. The Panthers are probably moving on from Cam seeing they can cut him with about $2M in dead money. If Murray can go from game time decision of the NFL draft to the #1 pick then Tua doesn't need to come back. His tape is out there. Everyone is an injury away in the NFL. He will be taught to get rid of the ball quicker.
 
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TideEngineer08 said:
Which illuminates our biggest issue, and it has nothing to do with our offense no matter who the QB is.
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To an extent, but UM didn't have skill guys or the QB that the better teams will have. Even if we (and we will) improve next year on defense, the offenses in the SEC are better and the best teams we'd face in the CFP will still exploit an improved defense SO that means we really need an explosive offense.

It's a "six one, half dozen the other" scenario. Case in point, we weren't good enough on offense against UM to win comfortably if they hit on some of those overthrown pass plays. Kinda sounds crazy but 36 points are not that much in 2019/2020 college football.
 
BamaMoon said:
To an extent, but UM didn't have skill guys or the QB that the better teams will have. Even if we (and we will) improve next year on defense, the offenses in the SEC are better and the best teams we'd face in the CFP will still exploit an improved defense SO that means we really need an explosive offense.

It's a "six one, half dozen the other" scenario. Case in point, we weren't good enough on offense against UM to win comfortably if they hit on some of those overthrown pass plays. Kinda sounds crazy but 36 points are not that much in 2019/2020 college football.
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You are convinced that Mac can't get the job done. Fine. Not going to try and convince you. Agree to disagree.


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BamaMoon said:
To an extent, but UM didn't have skill guys or the QB that the better teams will have. Even if we (and we will) improve next year on defense, the offenses in the SEC are better and the best teams we'd face in the CFP will still exploit an improved defense SO that means we really need an explosive offense.

It's a "six one, half dozen the other" scenario. Case in point, we weren't good enough on offense against UM to win comfortably if they hit on some of those overthrown pass plays. Kinda sounds crazy but 36 points are not that much in 2019/2020 college football.
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To which I'll circle back and say I, for one, feel we can be that explosive with Mac and tools I believe he will have at his disposal.

In any event, I'll go back to what I said way back in the beginning of this thread. I just hope Tua has a healthy career going forward whether that includes a year at Alabama next season or not. He deserves it.
 
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B1GTide said:
Sorry, the officials were the difference in that game.

As for Mac - you cannot "scheme" a QB who plays well from the pocket if he is also coached well. You guys worry about defensive schemes because of what happened to Tua. Well, that happened because you were running a gimmick offense and you did not have a real QB coach. You are not running that kind of offense anymore.

One more point that needs to be brought up - Mac is smarter than Tua. Not disrespecting Tua's talent, but everyone in Alabama's program talks about how smart Mac is, and they always have. So, Mac does not have Tua's ability, but he is very well coached and he is very smart - and he also has above average arm talent.

You will take a step backward with Mac, but not as large a step as many of you fear, and certainly not the kind of step that should have you worrying about defensive "schemes" being his downfall.
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Sorry, even if all the calls went OSU's way, Trevor Lawrence takes Clemson down the field at the end of the game to win it with a combination of his athleticism and throwing ability. He threw for 250 yards and ran for over 100 yards against a vaunted OSU defense. After the targeting penalty OSU had no answer for TL and the Clemson offense.

The point of the discussion is not to disparage Mac because he played really well against AU and Michigan. But, if you pay attention to the context of the conversation, I explicitly stated Mac would have no problem during our regular season schedule. It would be the playoffs that would bring a problem schematically. I would not feel comfortable going up against Lawrence, Fields, or a QB of the like with a pocket passer. Unless the pocket QB is near flawless, as well as the offensive line, it's too easy to negate someone who is a sitting duck back there with the way the game is currently played..
 
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tideinark said:
He probably goes 4-6 unless his progress has a big setback.
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Explain what you mean? He's got to declare for the draft by no later than Jan. 21, right? How can he even know how well he'll improve before he'll be able to throw for teams before the draft. If he declares, it's a done deal, right? That's the rub. If he's not healing as fast and he declares and then his stock plummets because he's not healing as fast, he has no recourse.

I honestly think he's got more control over his draft status to stay and play another year. Yes, there is risk for another injury, but I think he has more control over that at Bama than year one in the NFL for a lottery pick team.
 
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BamaMoon said:
I'm surprised to hear that about their defense...but I'll defer to your assessment since you follow that league closer.

If so, it makes me feel a little better about our struggles in the first half.

I will say this. If UM would have had Mac Jones playing for them yesterday, I'm pretty sure they win the game. Thank goodness Patterson overthrew an open UM receiver that had a step on our guys 4 or 5 times in the game. Some of those would have gone for a TD, most likely.
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From the stands - We had receivers open all day - with Tua i think we throw more deep passes...and win by 30+. UM could not contain our WR's but that wasnt what Mac was given to throw most of the time. When he did we were quite successful! Patterson missed two early throws that would have been TD's then we settled in. First half was frustrating to watch on D, second was a joy!
 
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You are convinced that Mac can't get the job done. Fine. Not going to try and convince you. Agree to disagree.


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No, not really. I'm just convinced we'd be much better with Tua and you are not.

You've said we'd be better with Jones than with Tua.

I think I can explain why that's not true better than you can explain why it is.

TUA > JONES is nothing personal against Jones.

If you are basing it on the possibility of Tua getting injured again, we have to acknowledge Jones "could" get injured too.
 
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