Surely you are not surprised - the Dems are as classless as anyone. If the Republicans did the same thing, don't you know there would be wailing and knashing of teeth from the liberal media?
Regardless how you feel about Pres. Bush, This should be offensive to you:
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Pathetic and shameful. Speaking of criminals, how is Terry McAuliffe doing with all of his insider info he had when he dumped his Global Crossings stock right before it went belly up?
Where is the SEC? It's time to play hardball and have him thoroughly investigated, including a body cavity search or two.
Where is the SEC? It's time to play hardball and have him thoroughly investigated, including a body cavity search or two.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CrimsonNan:
BamaNation, you must be whistling Dixie if you think any Democrat/Liberal would be offended.</font>
There ARE times when we should all put politics aside and realize this is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. One may not like the current office holder, but one must respect the office. There are some things that deserve our respect regardless.
I know I'm not living in a utopia, but, sheesh, I expect this type thing from the extreme kooks on both sides...not the head of the DNC.
DiamondDust
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You guys must be crazy if you think the Republicans didn't have a similar thing with Clinton. I can't say they had an actual door-mat, but I'd be confident in saying they had something along those lines.
Get over it. Do you actually expect either side to have a love-fest for the other?
One more thing, as for the liberal media... tell me how many owners of media outlets are liberal. Remember, when it comes to the media...money talks. I can guarantee the majority of media owners in this country swing to the right.
Get over it. Do you actually expect either side to have a love-fest for the other?
One more thing, as for the liberal media... tell me how many owners of media outlets are liberal. Remember, when it comes to the media...money talks. I can guarantee the majority of media owners in this country swing to the right.
Hahahaha...I'd sure like to think that most of the media owners swing to the right. But you leftists have had for years NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Public Radio - then there's The New York Times, The Washington Post, The LA Times, The Boston Globe, and on and on and on.......
Gimme a break!!!
* I did hear that there are some flip flops out now dedicated to Kerry. You know... sauce for the goose..............
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"And though she be but little, she is fierce"
From: "Seabiscuit"
A quote from Shakespeare's play "A Midsummer's Night Dream".
Act III Scene II
O, when she's angry, she is keen and shrewd!
She was a vixen when she went to school.
And though she be but little, she is fierce.
Gimme a break!!!
* I did hear that there are some flip flops out now dedicated to Kerry. You know... sauce for the goose..............
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"And though she be but little, she is fierce"
From: "Seabiscuit"
A quote from Shakespeare's play "A Midsummer's Night Dream".
Act III Scene II
O, when she's angry, she is keen and shrewd!
She was a vixen when she went to school.
And though she be but little, she is fierce.
DiamondDust ---
First a little history. I have been listening to talk radio since its very early beginnings. The people who launched it took their cue from television of the '70s and '80s. At that time TV, newspapers and magazines, with very few exceptions, were solidly liberal
Early talk radio was solidly liberal. Its big lights were talkers like Larry King (the same), Ira Fristell and a weeping wimp from Los Angeles, Michael Jackson.
Early talk radio nearly died in its cradle. I know. I was one of the many who simply tuned it out for years. Then the movers and shakers of TR had an inspiration: they switched to a conservative format and the thing took off like a rocket. It is as you see it today with a galaxy of conservative hosts from Rush Limbaugh to Michael Savage.
It was simply a monetary and survival decision. It was what the public wanted to hear. Television, which had been making big bucks from its beginnings, had no motive to change --- and still doesn't, although a few of the networks have pruned their offerings slightly and don't sound exactly like National Public Radio.
The plain fact is liberalism doesn't sell on radio. Why should it? Listeners can get the same crap from TV networks and the big dailies. That's why I think the new liberal radio network is headed for the crash-and-burn pile just like its predecessor. Advertising sponsors are attracted by audience share, not the size of Soros' wallet. Lefty radio will probably hang around until Soros runs out of money, then it will join its mama.
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First a little history. I have been listening to talk radio since its very early beginnings. The people who launched it took their cue from television of the '70s and '80s. At that time TV, newspapers and magazines, with very few exceptions, were solidly liberal
Early talk radio was solidly liberal. Its big lights were talkers like Larry King (the same), Ira Fristell and a weeping wimp from Los Angeles, Michael Jackson.
Early talk radio nearly died in its cradle. I know. I was one of the many who simply tuned it out for years. Then the movers and shakers of TR had an inspiration: they switched to a conservative format and the thing took off like a rocket. It is as you see it today with a galaxy of conservative hosts from Rush Limbaugh to Michael Savage.
It was simply a monetary and survival decision. It was what the public wanted to hear. Television, which had been making big bucks from its beginnings, had no motive to change --- and still doesn't, although a few of the networks have pruned their offerings slightly and don't sound exactly like National Public Radio.
The plain fact is liberalism doesn't sell on radio. Why should it? Listeners can get the same crap from TV networks and the big dailies. That's why I think the new liberal radio network is headed for the crash-and-burn pile just like its predecessor. Advertising sponsors are attracted by audience share, not the size of Soros' wallet. Lefty radio will probably hang around until Soros runs out of money, then it will join its mama.
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DiamondDust wrote ---
"One more thing, as for the liberal media... tell me how many owners of media outlets are liberal. Remember, when it comes to the media...money talks. I can guarantee the majority of media owners in this country swing to the right."
Quite right DD. The big catch has been that the vast majority of the people working for those big TV and newspaper owners are liberal. They've been peddling liberalism for decades on the theory that it makes big bucks. So far, it has, and has satisfied the owners.
Now the worm is beginning to turn. Fox has proved one can corral the big wad by skating the middle or even leaning a bit to the right. Rush Limbaugh has proved that a conservative radio host can make as much money as any TV network blow-dried talking head. These lessons have not been lost on big media owners or their lackeys.
Good point not to forget is the fact that a lot of the big rich are frankly liberal for various reasons. There's the big rich of Hollywood, our friend Soros, Mrs. Heinz (wife of Mr. Heinz), even Arnold Swartzenegger who's married to a Kennedy lib. Guilt is a powerful persuader in a land where egalitarianism is given loud lip service.
"One more thing, as for the liberal media... tell me how many owners of media outlets are liberal. Remember, when it comes to the media...money talks. I can guarantee the majority of media owners in this country swing to the right."
Quite right DD. The big catch has been that the vast majority of the people working for those big TV and newspaper owners are liberal. They've been peddling liberalism for decades on the theory that it makes big bucks. So far, it has, and has satisfied the owners.
Now the worm is beginning to turn. Fox has proved one can corral the big wad by skating the middle or even leaning a bit to the right. Rush Limbaugh has proved that a conservative radio host can make as much money as any TV network blow-dried talking head. These lessons have not been lost on big media owners or their lackeys.
Good point not to forget is the fact that a lot of the big rich are frankly liberal for various reasons. There's the big rich of Hollywood, our friend Soros, Mrs. Heinz (wife of Mr. Heinz), even Arnold Swartzenegger who's married to a Kennedy lib. Guilt is a powerful persuader in a land where egalitarianism is given loud lip service.
No matter what you think of George Bush, you should be offended that he traded Sammy Sosa and Wilson Alvarez for HAROLD BAINES!!!
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I am afraid you are SO right. If we brought in Bill Walsh to coach the Offense we would still have JC at QB. You can't polish a turd.
-WSPTIGER on an AU board
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I am afraid you are SO right. If we brought in Bill Walsh to coach the Offense we would still have JC at QB. You can't polish a turd.
-WSPTIGER on an AU board
That may be true of the actual # of owned outlets, but as far as impact and reach, liberalism rules the day:
NYT
LA Times
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
etc..
CBS News
ABC News
NBC News
PBS
CNN
vs
FOX
and conservative talk radio.
Please, it's not even close. Adding Limbaugh & Hannity's listeners together equals about 25 million listeners (and prob 1/2 of those listen to both so we're talking about 15-20mm actual people)
BamaNation - add the Houston Chronicle to that list as well. Include the major "news" magazines, too - Time, Newsweek, etc.
Why don't you guys just start calling him King Bush?
You're outraged over a doormat? Really? I mean ... it's a doormat. You just can't be serious. I would have never thought a doormat would have offended someone so much but I would have been wrong.
You're outraged over a doormat? Really? I mean ... it's a doormat. You just can't be serious. I would have never thought a doormat would have offended someone so much but I would have been wrong.
I don't really think that it's that big of a deal myself, but the fact that this comes from the party of the perpetually offended shows the hypocrisy that they exhibit.
I thought that the Democrats were the nice, tolerant, and sensitive party that works to end hate. If that is the case, then why are they the ones that seem to be the most hateful. I haven't seen any similar disrespect toward Kerry in any official Republican actions, but you'd think that the Republicans are the ones that would be more likely to perpetuate hate toward their adversary... at least according to Democratic party dogma.
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"I've never been quarantined, but the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -- George Carlin
I think just the opposite is true: it's Republicans that seem perpetually offended to me.
Let me see if I got this straight: you're saying that this doormat is proof that Dems are more hateful than Reps? A doormat that sits in front of the Dem HQ? This, too you, is evidence of the hateful nature of Dems? Is that right?
I guess that's what passes for "proof" in the Rep party. No wonder we invaded Iraq
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I think we can agree that both parties can be pretty nasty towards the other and that a doormat with the slogan "Give Bush the Boot" on it sitting in front of the Dem HQ should not offend anyone.
Let me see if I got this straight: you're saying that this doormat is proof that Dems are more hateful than Reps? A doormat that sits in front of the Dem HQ? This, too you, is evidence of the hateful nature of Dems? Is that right?
I guess that's what passes for "proof" in the Rep party. No wonder we invaded Iraq
I think we can agree that both parties can be pretty nasty towards the other and that a doormat with the slogan "Give Bush the Boot" on it sitting in front of the Dem HQ should not offend anyone.
That doormat is just one of many things which, "to" me, is evidence of the hatefulness of Democrats.
There are plenty of hateful people in both parties, but it just seems that there is more "personal" hatefulness amongst Democrats. A lot of it is due to the fact that a lot of younger people are active in the Democratic party. These younger people, many of them college students, are very ideological and full of spunk and they seem to enjoy a confrontational style of politics... a.k.a. "in-your-face" activism.
Political parties love to get young blood involved because of the zeal and energy that they bring. That emotion and drive can cause problems, however, if a firm hand doesn't maintain control. Look at the Democratic convention of 1968 for an example.
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"I've never been quarantined, but the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -- George Carlin
It seems that way because you're Rep. You ignore personal attacks by Rep on Dem and are offended by personal attacks by Dem on Rep. You’ve even got a reason for it all: youth in the Dem party. While it is true that, overall, the Dem party is younger, I’m skeptical of your conclusion that youth is to blame. You sight the 1968 convention has an example, but the youth activism of 2000 is not of the same scale or scope as the youth activism of the ‘60s. The personal attacks that most of us see and hear are certainly not done by junior members of the Dem (or Rep) party.
The bottom line is: both parties engage in personal attacks equally. Trust me – neither side would let the other get away with more of it, because, let’s face it, negative attacks work.
The doormat is not evidence of anything, except maybe a hokey sense of humor at Dem HQ.
The bottom line is: both parties engage in personal attacks equally. Trust me – neither side would let the other get away with more of it, because, let’s face it, negative attacks work.
The doormat is not evidence of anything, except maybe a hokey sense of humor at Dem HQ.
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