Bama Game Thread: OFFICIAL POSTGAME THREAD - Bama @ LSU...

[AWRTR]

Meh.

I'm not calling for Saban to step down, but I'm also tired of glossing over the obvious issues that have existed for the last two seasons. He's not doing this as a favor to us or the university - he's the highest paid coach in CFB and has been paid handsomely for all that he's accomplished in T-town.

There is no 'deserve' at this point. And while expectations are (naturally) high, those of us complaining aren't doing so because we're "spoiled" - we're simply expecting what we've been told over and over are the most import aspects of the coaches jobs: preparing the players to be successful and making the calls to put them in that position. We're getting NEITHER of those fundamental things from this staff, and the only person who shoulders the blame is Saban.

One cannot accept praise then shun criticism. This is 100% on CNS and he needs to fix it.

It is on CNS, but people calling for him step down are going too far. Now if we see this continue maybe I’ll change my mind. I’m not interested in a Bobby Bowden situation. CNS has changed course before with the offense, recruiting different body types, and changing coaches. I know he can do it again. I just hope he’s up to it. 71 isn’t an easy age to make major changes, but if anyone can do it it’s him.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Meh.

I'm not calling for Saban to step down, but I'm also tired of glossing over the obvious issues that have existed for the last two seasons. He's not doing this as a favor to us or the university - he's the highest paid coach in CFB and has been paid handsomely for all that he's accomplished in T-town.

There is no 'deserve' at this point. And while expectations are (naturally) high, those of us complaining aren't doing so because we're "spoiled" - we're simply expecting what we've been told over and over are the most import aspects of the coaches jobs: preparing the players to be successful and making the calls to put them in that position. We're getting NEITHER of those fundamental things from this staff, and the only person who shoulders the blame is Saban.

One cannot accept praise then shun criticism. This is 100% on CNS and he needs to fix it.

I disagree. This post sounds exactly like spoiled to me.

We as a base can act like somehow we lost something last night. we didn’t. We are consumers. We are acting like Led Zeppelin fans when Coda came out, Star Wars fans when Phantom Menace came out.

the world doesn’t always give us what we want, and how we handle it says a lot.

we didn’t get what we want, and now we are throwing a tantrum.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I wouldn’t trade CNS for anyone else in the country. I trust that he’ll get this fixed.

I believe in his ability to do so. I'm curious if he still has the desire

 

[BamaMoon]

Meh.

I'm not calling for Saban to step down, but I'm also tired of glossing over the obvious issues that have existed for the last two seasons. He's not doing this as a favor to us or the university - he's the highest paid coach in CFB and has been paid handsomely for all that he's accomplished in T-town.

There is no 'deserve' at this point. And while expectations are (naturally) high, those of us complaining aren't doing so because we're "spoiled" - we're simply expecting what we've been told over and over are the most import aspects of the coaches jobs: preparing the players to be successful and making the calls to put them in that position. We're getting NEITHER of those fundamental things from this staff, and the only person who shoulders the blame is Saban.

One cannot accept praise then shun criticism. This is 100% on CNS and he needs to fix it.

I've only seen a couple of renegades say CNS should step down.

Instead, like you say, the fans are perplexed because we've bought hook, line and sinker what CNS has told us all these years about the process, domination, no job is safe, etc. Now, this year, it looks like he's not doing what he told us to expect in a Bama team.

I think all we want to see is an upset CNS that says this isn't the Bama standard and he'll fix it. But I didn't really see that in his PC last night. He even said, "I like this team..."

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

IMHO one of 3 things going to happen

1. Saban is going to make changes this off-season and start a 3rd stage of the dynasty

2. Saban is going to retire this year or next

3. This is the least likely IMO. Saban sticks around for 3-5 years but doesn't make significant changes and we look like Oklahoma under Riley/Stoops. We still make the playoffs at times but National Championships are done

 

[bamaclimber]

Maybe I just need a break from the site. Maybe I’m just a bit emotional right now, especially living here in South Louisiana.

But to lose 2 games on two Plays regardless of how/why, and to have “fans” calling for Saban to step down is one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever seen.

I think some are speculating about his future and ongoing ability (willingness/passion/desire), but I don't sense a significant number of people wanting him to step down immediately.

For me, it's not the 2 losses, it's the context of the 2 losses. The 2 losses could just as easily be 4. In fact, short of a couple of miracle plays, it should be 4. Going back to last season, you can add at least 1, maybe 2 more losses.

Now throw in the lack of improvement or development over almost two full season and the 2 losses start to look a lot different.

Now factor in the talent level on the roster and the resources available to the program.

Now look at the programs Alabama has lost to (or almost lost to) - Auburn (almost), LSU, TN, A&M (last year) - most are programs in some amount of a rebuild.

The context of the 2 losses frustrates me, not the losses themselves.

 

[BamaMoon]

IMHO one of 3 things going to happen

1. Saban is going to make changes this off-season and start a 3rd stage of the dynasty

2. Saban is going to retire this year or next

3. This is the least likely IMO. Saban sticks around for 3-5 years but doesn't make significant changes and we look like Oklahoma under Riley/Stoops. We still make the playoffs at times but National Championships are done

I don't think #2 will happen, but it's possible #1 and #3 could anyway.

I really think our direction with coordinators this offseason writes the script for his last few years.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I disagree. This post sounds exactly like spoiled to me.

We as a base can act like somehow we lost something last night. we didn’t. We are consumers. We are acting like Led Zeppelin fans when Coda came out, Star Wars fans when Phantom Menace came out.

the world doesn’t always give us what we want, and how we handle it says a lot.

we didn’t get what we want, and now we are throwing a tantrum.

So rational criticism of a team's overall performance (people aren't upset about last night, per se, but rather last night was the culmination of the issues many have been pointing out for the last couple of seasons) is 'throwing a tantrum'?

Show me where someone posted emotionally, calling for Saban to quit or be fired, or anything else resembling 'throwing a tantrum'.

I know for a fact I can copy-and-paste tons of posts where people are questioning why Saban hasn;t addressed obvious team issues.

I've never been one to accept mediocrity - I'm a high-achiever in my field. I know exactly what Saban means when he speaks of the process, of expectations, of high standards. If you wish to categorize an expectation of those standards 'spoiled' so be it. Define it however you wish, but I'm not bringing emotion, I'm simply expecting Saban to hold himself to the same standard he's held everyone to for the last 15+ years.

 

[Cruloc]

I disagree. This post sounds exactly like spoiled to me.

We as a base can act like somehow we lost something last night. we didn’t. We are consumers. We are acting like Led Zeppelin fans when Coda came out, Star Wars fans when Phantom Menace came out.

the world doesn’t always give us what we want, and how we handle it says a lot.

we didn’t get what we want, and now we are throwing a tantrum.

In some defense of Star Wars fans....even George Lucas said....."I may have gone too far." He was surrounded by people that were scared to tell him no.

Saban is the GOAT. However, we've got big issues inside the program. We are soft, the kids are undisciplined, we continue to show no improvement. Its as if we aren't self scouting.

We know what Saban preaches, we've seen what he can do...its just not there this year or last. Its like he's too loyal to some guys even though they aren't pulling their weight. That's not a normal Saban thing.

 

[Power Eye]

I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but what I see on this board makes me realize why other fans hate us. It’s not just because we’ve won so much over the last 16 years, but it’s that coupled with the arrogance and sense of entitlement. Honestly, the fan base needs a season like this just to become more grounded, which is a laughable concept. It’s pathetic seeing some of these posts questioning Saban’s ability, as if it was just a given that we would walk through the regular season in a ceremonial parade to the post season where the season would only then really start.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

.Saban is no longer the goat...

Wait.

Someone has won 7 national championships??


I'm surprised that didn't make the news.

 

[lowend]

For those who are anti-criticism, how many more seasons like this are acceptable? Coach had trained us to a certain standard and criticized us game when WE don't achieve it. He is not immune. This team is simply not competitive and that's not acceptable. Losing is okay when you've given your all - this team looks like it doesn't know what to give.

 

[B1GTide]

I'm simply expecting Saban to hold himself to the same standard he's held everyone to for the last 15+ years.

I think that he will, and that this will be what leads to his retirement if the next round of changes don't bring pretty immediate results.

Next season will likely be ugly for Alabama, but it might be worth it. Massive changes across the staff, new skill players across the offense, totally rebuilt defense. But if Saban still has the fire necessary to overcome the SEC juggernaut, the payoff will be worth it.

The SEC attracts the best coaches and players in the country. It is deeper now than any conference has ever been, and Saban is the main cause of that growth. Playing and coaching in the SEC is not for the weak. Saban will step up, or at least try. But the SEC is not a conference that can be dominated by one program anymore.

 

[denver]

This loss had been coming for a while...scrapping by on scramble plays will eventually catch up. There is something off across this team...players and staff. They can still reach a NYD Bowl so they have something to play for..we just havent seen that sort of fire from them as a group consistently though

 

[braggtd]

So I turned it off right as they made the 2 point conv. Did who storm the field and tear down the goalposts, etc? I would hope they wouldn't as they were legit not to long ago.

 

[bamafan1966]

Stating the obvious...the changes or lack of over the next 1-2 months will speak volumes.

 

[Power Eye]

For those who are anti-criticism, how many more seasons like this are acceptable? Coach had trained us to a certain standard and criticized us game when WE don't achieve it. He is not immune. This team is simply not competitive and that's not acceptable. Losing is okay when you've given your all - this team looks like it doesn't know what to give.

Not competitive? Our two losses happened on the last plays of the game. You can say we aren’t great or dominant, but we are competitive.

 

[bamaga]

Wait.

Someone has won 7 national championships??


I'm surprised that didn't make the news.

Don’t you know, Kirby is the new Goat. He scored a national championship and went for six. shaking my head at some of the so called Bama fans.

 

[braggtd]

Everything is going great on the recruiting trail. The real question is what does Saban think of both coordinators? He has stuck with them for awhile now which is very concerning. They are 100% the issue IMO. A little schematics but just over all personality. Bob calls plays from the booth. Remember Lanes antics when he would call TDs? Kids like that type of coaching and rally around it. Same with DC. I have never seen any emotion from Golding. Kirby was hopping around on every play. Scott Cochran is missed too. There is more than xs and os. Gotta make it fun for the athletes. I really do think Saban needs to explore some options at coordinator. Same story every year with these two guys. And all the Saban isn't the GOAT talk is nonsense. He can stay as long as he wants in my eyes regardless of how things turn out. Most amazing run of my lifetime. RTR

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Don’t you know, Kirby is the new Goat. He scored a national championship and went for six. shaking my head at some of the so called Bama fans.

Yes, and just four years ago it was some guy named Dabo, right?

He was going to eat Saban like pork sausage and have a satisfying bowel movement afterwards, right?
Amazingly, his team looked far worse against a far worse team than LSU last night.

Comets rise and fall all around and stars fall on Alabama, too.

But there's legit criticism (I'll have some later - I want to watch the thread) and insanity, and it's like saying that because Tom Brady had a bad game, he's no longer the GOAT QB (he is, btw, and I can't stand the guy).