MTV's Two a days: Hoover

[smokewagon212]

I am an Alabama native, born and raised. I went to Huffman High School and can still remember going to school with Phillip Doyle. When I heard about this reality show I had to watch for nastalgia reasons. Now Im not that old but when I left with the military for desert strom there was no Hoover High School. Anyway,, I dont care how many games this coach has won. He is a complete embarrasment to the state of Alabama. These are high school kids and not a prisoner of war camp. I suppose he is under somekind of pressure to win, however I fail to see why he needs to degrade teenagers. Maybe I got the wrong impression, or maybe I dont know the entire story. I played sports most of my life and never have I heard a coach that embarrasing. If Im wrong please gimme the right story!!! :BigA:

 

[JPT4Bama]

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A lot of what you see on TV (Two a Days) is misleading. My son played for two years at Hoover and frankly things at Hoover would appear pretty boring if not spiced up a bit for TV. Remember, even reality TV is still "TV" and is a whole lot of illusion blended with small amount of fact. I agree that Rush goes over the top a bit much in this show but this is what people expect to see in a show like this. After all the editing and such you basically have what the producers think will sell. This was after all, done by a company from GA which then sold it to MTV.
I'm not excusing Rush for his language as he could have made his point without it but don't base too much on what you see on TV when judging Hoover football or even the community itself. Go Bucs!!

 

[IMALOYAL1]

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I played sports most of my life and never have I heard a coach that embarrasing. If Im wrong please gimme the right story!!! :BigA:

Tuf Luv?

He has taken heat over his choice of words, but I can remember a few coaches that would say.........Well many of my coaches used colorful euphemisms.

:BigA:

 

[jeffs4thetide]

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Personally, I am embarrased for Hoover. Man, how about the team chaplain. Boy, he has his priorities in order. I cant say much really but wow..

 

[Mav^]

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Personally, I am embarrased for Hoover. Man, how about the team chaplain. Boy, he has his priorities in order. I cant say much really but wow..

ROFL that's kinda what I thought too.

 

[smokewagon212]

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Im not so much worried about the occation bleep! But threatening scholarships because they lost one game? Can you imagine if CMS decided to cut JP Wilson because we had a bad game? Overall it looks like a beautiful school with a wonderful program and plenty of school spirit. However, I dont remember the school or spain park for that matter! :BigA:

 

[JPT4Bama]

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Im not so much worried about the occation bleep! But threatening scholarships because they lost one game? Can you imagine if CMS decided to cut JP Wilson because we had a bad game? Overall it looks like a beautiful school with a wonderful program and plenty of school spirit. However, I dont remember the school or spain park for that matter! :BigA:

He was referring to losing a potential college scholoarship. Hoover replaced the old Berry high which is now a middle school that feeds Spain Park. Hoover High currently has 2400+/- students and Spain Park was built to relieve overcrowding. I think Spain Park has around 1400 or so students. I do know the entire Hoover school system has 12,000 students.

 

[gvilleBAMA]

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I watched one eposode the other night and was taken back. Not really by they way the coaches acted, but more about why people are really intrested in watch the drama of high school kids. The show seems almost point less. Over ten min. of the one I saw went like this:

girl: "like i hate him and he sucks"
guy: "i don't need her"
girl after game: "i saw him and wanted to hug him...i miss him"
guy after game: "I saw her and missed her, but the guys can't know this"

I mean this is how the whole thing when..."YAWN"

I'll leave this show for ya'll....keep me posted

 

[rtr1973]

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Now Im not that old but when I left with the military for desert strom there was no Hoover High School.

Hoover High School was built to replace Berry High School (which had w-a-a-a-y outgrown capacity). I believe Hoover HS peaked out at well over 5,000 students before the City of Hoover completed a second new high school (Spain Park).

 

[bamabryan]

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First I want to make it clear that I have no affiliation to Hoover, Hoover football or Rush Propst.

From what I've seen of this show, Propst is not really any different than the coaches I had going back to high school, junior high and to a degree even little league football. Yes, little league. Of course I am 40 years old and played football at a time when everything did not have to be so "politically correct."

I agree that Propst has a definate arrogance and cockiness about him, but no one is pointing a gun at the Hoover kids heads and telling them they have to play football. To a degree many of the high school coaches have an ego. To the degree of Propst? Probably not, but those coaches don't have a television camera on them all the time during the football season either and I am not just talking about the show "Two A Days" either. The Hoover football program gets more publicity than any other high school program in the state of Alabama. Propst is on television and the radio a great deal. Hoover football has earned that recognition.

Say what you will about the man but he is an excellent high school football coach that is obviously doing something right. No one can take that away from the man.

What the Hoover football team did in Oklahoma last Friday night represented Alabama high school football and this state extremely well. We should all be proud of that accomplishment.

JMHO.

 

[Boclive]

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Little league coaches that snatch kids around by the face mask and use profanity have to be mindful of little league mothers backing them up against the fense and absolutely remediating that behavior. I've seen that happen a couple of times.

 

[Mamacalled]

Aks anybody that played at Hueytown in the late 70s or early 80s, our coach did alot worse than what I have seen from Probst. Profanity, popping you on your earhole and slinging you around by your facemask was par for the course.

 

[twjua]

People who are taken back by how tough it is....(boo hoo)...on the kids and the unacceptable language....(boo hoo).....have never played a competitive sport like football or basketball or baseball or wrestling or whatever. It happens everywhere. Thats the norm. Treating young men tough makes them tough. If you don't want to hear it, go watch golf or tennis.
I went to a HS in the Orlando area in the early 90s thats bigger than Hoover is now and thats all the same stuff that went on, minus the accent.

:conf2:

 

[Houndstooth]

I coach a competetive high school sport and can tell you that I don't use the language used by Propst to get a point across, but I will tell you that as a whole, teenage kids are much lazier than I ever thought about being at that age. They need a little kick in the rear end on occasion. I don't have a problem with tough love or negative reinforcement as long as there's plenty of positive reinforcement to go along with it. You don't see it on Two A Days because it's not good television, but all successful coaches use a balance of negative and positive reinforcement to teach these kids not only football lessons, but life lessons. Without some positive reinforcement, coaches would never earn the trust of their players. Maybe I won't offend anyone by saying this, but without a little bit of tough love on the football field, basketball court, and baseball field, some of our teenage boys would never become men. They are coddled way too much at home and expect mommy and daddy to bail them out of everything. That's not the way the real world works.

 

[gvilleBAMA]

I coach a competetive high school sport and can tell you that I don't use the language used by Propst to get a point across, but I will tell you that as a whole, teenage kids are much lazier than I ever thought about being at that age. They need a little kick in the rear end on occasion. I don't have a problem with tough love or negative reinforcement as long as there's plenty of positive reinforcement to go along with it. You don't see it on Two A Days because it's not good television, but all successful coaches use a balance of negative and positive reinforcement to teach these kids not only football lessons, but life lessons. Without some positive reinforcement, coaches would never earn the trust of their players. Maybe I won't offend anyone by saying this, but without a little bit of tough love on the football field, basketball court, and baseball field, some of our teenage boys would never become men. They are coddled way too much at home and expect mommy and daddy to bail them out of everything. That's not the way the real world works.

Great post Houndstooth!

The team I help coach went to state last year and it was because of a mix of tough love followed by good coaching and LOTS of praise. Same thing this year and we have a great chance of being in a similar situation come November. We don't cuss, we don't put down but we do get on them when they drag butt, don't listen, don't exicute or when they decided its play time instead of practice time.

 

[stlimprov]

I coach a competetive high school sport and can tell you that I don't use the language used by Propst to get a point across, but I will tell you that as a whole, teenage kids are much lazier than I ever thought about being at that age. They need a little kick in the rear end on occasion. I don't have a problem with tough love or negative reinforcement as long as there's plenty of positive reinforcement to go along with it. You don't see it on Two A Days because it's not good television, but all successful coaches use a balance of negative and positive reinforcement to teach these kids not only football lessons, but life lessons. Without some positive reinforcement, coaches would never earn the trust of their players. Maybe I won't offend anyone by saying this, but without a little bit of tough love on the football field, basketball court, and baseball field, some of our teenage boys would never become men. They are coddled way too much at home and expect mommy and daddy to bail them out of everything. That's not the way the real world works.

Sometimes people need a pat on the back, and sometimes they need a kick in the butt. A good leader/coach/manager has the tools to do both and the ability to discern which is needed at any given time (both for the individual and the group).

Of course, if having the tools and the discernment were as easy as writing it, there would be no bad leaders/coaches/managers.

As for language, I'm not necessarily going to have a problem with anyone for using strong language. That said, there is a point at which it can enhance communication and a point at which it obstructs communication. And as I'd expect a group so quick to talk about "class" would know, even if it's the norm that doesn't make it right.

 

[Dr. Van Nostran]

It was great watching TCHS put a whuppin on Hoover. I was at that game and TCHS beat them much worse than the score showed. It was fantastic. I have seen Hoover play twice now and both times Tuscaloosa County has handed them their a double s.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

Didn't Probst coach @ Daphne or McGill Toolen before going to Hoover?

 

[bamabryan]

People who are taken back by how tough it is....(boo hoo)...on the kids and the unacceptable language....(boo hoo).....have never played a competitive sport like football or basketball or baseball or wrestling or whatever. It happens everywhere. Thats the norm. Treating young men tough makes them tough. If you don't want to hear it, go watch golf or tennis.
:conf2:

I agree with you.

Not to offend anyone, but I think a large number of the people that are appauled by what they are seeing on "Two-A-Days" have never played football. I am not saying this is the situation in every case.

Of course it has been years since I played football, but most of our coaches called us everything, but a child of God on the football field. We were belittled when we made mistakes in practice. They rode us pretty hard at times, but you know what? Most of the coaches that I had while playing football are people that I love and respect to this day. I loved and respected most of them then and I love and respect them now.

To me when the coaches rode us, got in our face and cursed us, it was a lesson in accountability and the fact that we were not doing something right. If you did not do your part, you let the team down. This is why I think football is the greatest game in world. I just don't think there is another game that teaches a kid life's lessons like the game of football. It teaches these kids teamwork, dedication, accountability and how to overcome adversity among other things.

Houndstooth, had a very good post. As he said, coaches must have a balance of positive and negative reinforcement to reach these kids. For those who have a problem with what they are seeing on this show, remember MTV wants to get a reaction from it's viewers. You are not going to see rainbows and lollipops on a reality show about football. It's all about ratings.

I am not saying you have to like Rush Propst or what you are seeing on this show, but it seems to be a pretty accurate picture of football from when I played which was in the 70's and 80's. Does not seem like much has changed.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

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Personally, I am embarrased for Hoover. Man, how about the team chaplain. Boy, he has his priorities in order. I cant say much really but wow..

"Dear God please protect these boys so they can beat the ever loving' bleep out of those son of bleep and win this football for your glory. Amen.