OC and DC replacement discussion

[bamacon]

So why is he a Broyles Finalist then?
FTR…I started this saying I’d like a new DC…
I read an article that had all of the new age analytical stuff that lead to him being a finalist…I was pretty surprised.

Saban told the REC and they got the job done . Real easy to get some good offers with that on the resume

 

[KrAzY3]

So why is he a Broyles Finalist then?

Why wasn't JK Scott a Ray Guy award finalist in 2016? Why was Young the first Alabama QB to win a Heisman? Sometimes they do dumb stuff.

In this case though, Golding has the most successful defensive scheme in college football to work with. He also has 5 star talent. I have no doubt that the stats are good relative to people who don't have those things to work with, but he does have those things to work with so he should be judged accordingly. Absent of those considerations he seems to be doing a better job than he actually is. His defenses have performed below their talent level and below the level of Georgia's defense pretty much every year he's been here.

 

[bamamc1]

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[Ole Man Dan]

Wait, didn't one of them McDonald's lunch bags and its "carrier" transition if not impeccably then smack dab in the middle of "We're not in Kansas any more (but [to keep this germane to the conversation] we are in a 1-4-6 and utterly lost in space)"...

Whisper when you say Rush's name. Really soft....

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Why wasn't JK Scott a Ray Guy award finalist in 2016? Why was Young the first Alabama QB to win a Heisman? Sometimes they do dumb stuff.

In this case though, Golding has the most successful defensive scheme in college football to work with. He also has 5 star talent. I have no doubt that the stats are good relative to people who don't have those things to work with, but he does have those things to work with so he should be judged accordingly. Absent of those considerations he seems to be doing a better job than he actually is. His defenses have performed below their talent level and below the level of Georgia's defense pretty much every year he's been here.

In comparison: Golding has a Race Car at his disposal, but on Saturdays he has been driving the family grocery getter...

 

[B1GTide]

So why is he a Broyles Finalist then?
FTR…I started this saying I’d like a new DC…
I read an article that had all of the new age analytical stuff that lead to him being a finalist…I was pretty surprised.

He is not. He was a nominee, along with 49 other random people, most of whom also should have never been considered

 

[TitleWave]

Just read Aaron Stuttles article... coaching changes is coming it's matter of when...

In my wildest and most fulfilling defensive dreams, Gol*ing gets traded for a NIB tackling dummy to be named later. Maybe even to be named Gol*ing Jr. if it never gets any actual use...

It's a universal given that Saban's forte is his ability to adapt as the game speeds up and morphs - somehow I don't think the vaunted 1-4-6 as signaled in from the sideline by a downward (and bearded) death stare ever had or ever will have Saban's imprimatur on it.

 

[The Ols]

He is not. He was a nominee, along with 49 other random people, most of whom also should have never been considered

See...it's true! You can't believe everything you read on the interweb!!! My bad...

 

[BamaMoon]

People who defend the performance of the defense under Golding sure don't seem to be applying logic they apply to offensive performance or the team in general.

#1 defense becomes roughly the #10 defense? That's fine.
#1 team becomes the #10 team? That's terrible

It's just not logical...

This year Alabama is ranked #5 and we all understand that's a bad performance. Yet, we'd all be happy if Alabama's defense was ranked that high. The defense's average rank (scoring defense) from 2008-2017 was something like #2.

So, not a CPG apologist, but is there any way to know how much the change in offensive schemes, especially in the SEC being more offensive-oriented, might have affected the last few years of ranking defenses?

Remember how we used to make fun of the BIG 12 defenses? Well, they were defending offenses that were harder to contain. Now it seems to be happening in the SEC more.

 

[gtgilbert]

In my wildest and most fulfilling defensive dreams, Gol*ing gets traded for a NIB tackling dummy to be named later. Maybe even to be named Gol*ing Jr. if it never gets any actual use...

It's a universal given that Saban's forte is his ability to adapt as the game speeds up and morphs - somehow I don't think the vaunted 1-4-6 as signaled in from the sideline by a downward (and bearded) death stare ever had or ever will have Saban's imprimatur on it.

The 1-4-6 isn't a Gol*ing invention. that tool has been in the shed since A Robinson was a freshman terror and it *can* be a useful tool. The issue we have now is using the wrong tool at the wrong time for the wrong reason. It's like Gol*ing is trying to drive a nail with a crescent wrench.

 

[gtgilbert]

So, not a CPG apologist, but is there any way to know how much the change in offensive schemes, especially in the SEC being more offensive-oriented, might have affected the last few years of ranking defenses?

Remember how we used to make fun of the BIG 12 defenses? Well, they were defending offenses that were harder to contain. Now it seems to be happening in the SEC more.

IMHO, the shift in the SEC happened before 2018, but that could be some small part, except that UGA has now moved to the front of the line with the top rated defense in most categories, and while they do play a different set of SEC opponents than we do, when we do have common opponents, they seem to fare significantly better than we do...

 

[BamaMoon]

IMHO, the shift in the SEC happened before 2018, but that could be some small part, except that UGA has now moved to the front of the line with the top rated defense in most categories, and while they do play a different set of SEC opponents than we do, when we do have common opponents, they seem to fare significantly better than we do...

Thought about Georgia's east conference opponents. I think it could play a significant factor in the last several years. Obviously, this year UT broke out and snuck up on everybody with their offensive explosion, but the better offenses have consistently been in the SEC west the last few years.

 

[gtgilbert]

Thought about Georgia's east conference opponents. I think it could play a significant factor in the last several years. Obviously, this year UT broke out and snuck up on everybody with their offensive explosion, but the better offenses have consistently been in the SEC west the last few years.

How many points did UT score against UGA this year? How about against us? In fact UGA has held them to fewer points just about every year...

 

[KrAzY3]

So, not a CPG apologist, but is there any way to know how much the change in offensive schemes, especially in the SEC being more offensive-oriented, might have affected the last few years of ranking defenses?

If only there was some other SEC defense running the same scheme we could compare the results to...

I once showed the decline under Golding just by showing the SEC rankings. He basically took the defense that was #1 in the SEC every year to around the third best. Once again, if Alabama became the third best team in the SEC we'd all think that was a pretty big decline...

I'm not just trying to sound snarky though, I really have looked at Golding's performance at Alabama via just about every metric I could think of. There just isn't anything I can find that does anything other than show a noticeable decline. For instance, I generally posted not PPG allowed but scoring defense ranking, which is relative to every other team.

It hasn't been a small decline either, someone once defended his defense by telling me that it got the most tackles any Alabama team had in years. They didn't understand what a damning statement that was...

 

[GrayTide]

You can make a case for almost anything by looking at statistics, and in some cases they bear out a team's performance. So as most of us do or say, we give the results the "eye test". We all saw the debacles at Tennessee and LSU which resulted in losses, but Texas, Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss, pushed our defense around and could have resulted in an additional 2-3 losses. The only two games our defense looked like an Alabama defense were the Vanderbilt and Miss State games. Both were home games against two teams that honestly were not very good. We always espouse what great talent we have when we try to defend a poor performance on the field, and I still have my doubts about the rating services, but all you have to do is look at how our defense played throughout the year to know it has really slipped since Golding took over. I would not have wanted to face any of the playoff teams with our defense.

 

[colbysullivan]

You can make a case for almost anything by looking at statistics, and in some cases they bear out a team's performance. So as most of us do or say, we give the results the "eye test". We all saw the debacles at Tennessee and LSU which resulted in losses, but Texas, Arkansas, Auburn, and Ole Miss, pushed our defense around and could have resulted in an additional 2-3 losses. The only two games our defense looked like an Alabama defense were the Vanderbilt and Miss State games. Both were home games against two teams that honestly were not very good. We always espouse what great talent we have when we try to defend a poor performance on the field, and I still have my doubts about the rating services, but all you have to do is look at how our defense played throughout the year to know it has really slipped since Golding took over. I would not have wanted to face any of the playoff teams with our defense.

Whenever people say “Stats don’t tell the whole story”, I always tell them “Then you’re looking at the wrong stats”

 

[JustNeedMe81]

I came in here to see if we found our new OC?

 

[Tide&True]

I came in here to see if we found our new OC?

If we do make a change to OC or DC it should have its own thread and not buried in this thread (hopefully).

 

[BhamToTexas]

I heard Bob and Pete are just going to switch roles.

 

[gtgilbert]

Thought about Georgia's east conference opponents. I think it could play a significant factor in the last several years. Obviously, this year UT broke out and snuck up on everybody with their offensive explosion, but the better offenses have consistently been in the SEC west the last few years.

So thought I'd check a little deeper and we had a lot of common opponents this year.

Auburn:
UGA allowed 10
UA allowed 27

LSU
UGA allowed: 30 ( a lot of garbage points here though
UA allowed: 32 (when it really mattered)

UTe
UGA allowed: 13
UA allowed: 52 (hurts to type that)

Vandy (hard to count it)
UGA allowed 0
UA allowed: 3

Miss State:
UGA allowed 19 (few garbage points here also)
UA allowed: 6

So they allowed 72 to our 120 even though some of theirs were also garbage time points and only had one opponent who they allowed to score more than we did.