BREAKING Bama OC Bill "BoB" O'Brien to the Patriots

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BOB was "the" problem, but as much as I loved BY he was "a" problem sometimes.

I can't tell you how many times he had a running back coming out of the backfield as part of the route tree in the flats who'd be WIDE open. A sure 7-10 yard gain and he'd usually pass up the sure thing for a risker throw. I never understood why this wasn't corrected over the course of the year by BOB or CNS.

Now, in defense of BY, he had JaMo and Metchie he could connect with the year before and for some reason this changed last year and I think it probably affected BY's decision making.
 

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I watched 4 Bama games in full in 2022 (Texas, TAMU, Tennessee, and LSU) and I'd agree that a lot of what I saw was Bryce Young -- and even Gibbs -- making plays by themselves.

P.S. I know Young didn't play against TAMU, but Gibbs had a pretty good performance that night.

I'm pretty interested to see who Saban chooses to replace both Golding and and O'Brien. The good news is that, at a program like Bama, you can essentially choose from the very best options.
You would think so. Evidently hiring coaches is like getting married. You don’t really know what you got till a year into it.
 

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I never like the comparison of stats. There are too many variables that aren't accounted for:
First, how good were the teams you played? A hard schedule one year vs an easy schedule the next. If you play more bad defenses in a year, your numbers are going to look better.
The quality of the players or play of those players vary. I think we all agree that Bryce bailed out a substantial number of plays this year with his improvisation. While that can be coaching as well, I believe the goal of the OC is to build a plan for success outright not line everyone up and say "go beat them however".

What I observed this year made me believe that BOB did not fit with the college framework. You never know what exactly goes on at practice or exactly what was intended during the game, but I'd love to see someone who had looked at every offensive play and seen what percentage appeared to happen on script and how many broke down and required improvisation. It wouldn't be exact, but it would show how much we "out athleted" opponents.

This is where I believe BOB failed as a college OC. In the NFL, you constantly hear about matchups. Basically, the NFL world has homogenized talent, and the constant goal is to get plays where a better player is matched against a lesser player on the other team. This is either by numbers or talent.

In college, I believe its more about developing talent and putting each player in a position to learn and succeed on any given play. This is not what we saw this year. Over the past two years, we did not see freshmen grow over the course of the year. Instead we saw static development and in some cases regression. Some of this can be put on the position coach, but if you don't play in games, its hard to develop or remain motivated. I think that is the professional mindset rather than thinking ahead at development over the year.

For example, in 2018 with Dabol as OC, the end of the NC game, we had freshman playing QB, RB, and WR at critical times during the game. That is only accomplishable because those players saw time during the season at meaningful times. (You can argue that their situation was a function of their talent and drive, but that is back to the old argument of what are you born with vs what do you have to develop. Its a combination but no one will ever know for sure how much comes from which side.)

By comparison, last two years we mainly see backups when the starters went down or as we struggled to find contribution. An example, when J Miller played he was impressive. He ran with power and effectively. There could be lots of reasons why he didn't play more, but I for one don't understand why we continuously tried to run short yardage plays with Gibbs. I love JG, but yards after contact is not his major skillset. If JM was developed he was an asset we could have used in key situations.

I'm certainly not a professional, but I've coached youth sports for 20 years. I've always believed if a player was willing to be coached, I could find a way for them to succeed within their talents. Assuming the player is willing, at Bama there is not limit on talent. So from my POV, there is only two possible cases. Either the player wasn't willing, or the system didn't develop. The number of defections could be indicative of either case, players leaving because they aren't willing or players leaving because they are frustrated by lack of development. The players that stay, however, would indicate willingness, so I am hoping that whomever we get going forward does do a better job at developing young players, because with our talent flow, we're always going to lose our best upperclassmen early.
 

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Bryce throws a very catchable ball. Bob can’t make them catch or run great routes.

I do blame him for letting Bryce ad lib too much. But the WR Dev For the last two years has been horrid
but BOB could call different route combinations to the WRs wouldn't always be running directly into coverage since the DBs knew the routes as well as the WRs and they could just sit and wait for the WR to get there.
 

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but BOB could call different route combinations to the WRs wouldn't always be running directly into coverage since the DBs knew the routes as well as the WRs and they could just sit and wait for the WR to get there.
That’s probably why BOB will be fine in the pro’s as OC. Watching the pro game Saturday and Sunday. It’s really a lot of vanilla and unimaginative play calling even among the elite pro teams. Watching the eagles vs the giants. It was 28-7 in the third quarter. It might as well have been 48-7. The clock bleeds so fast you don’t get as many possessions.
 
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In college, I believe its more about developing talent and putting each player in a position to learn and succeed on any given play. This is not what we saw this year. Over the past two years, we did not see freshmen grow over the course of the year. Instead we saw static development and in some cases regression. Some of this can be put on the position coach, but if you don't play in games, its hard to develop or remain motivated. I think that is the professional mindset rather than thinking ahead at development over the year.
Great post. I especially agree with this part about player development. Those who are arguing in support of BoB never mention this factor. They throw around statistics, but I wonder if they actually saw any games.

One thing is for sure - we need an OC who is good at QB development because the only backup who got any meaningful playing time needs a lot of development. We simply don't know about the other QBs because they got virtually no playing time.
 

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Great post. I especially agree with this part about player development. Those who are arguing in support of BoB never mention this factor. They throw around statistics, but I wonder if they actually saw any games.

One thing is for sure - we need an OC who is good at QB development because the only backup who got any meaningful playing time needs a lot of development. We simply don't know about the other QBs because they got virtually no playing time.
It is amazing how they have almost every NFL game down to right at 3:00. It's pretty rare for one to run long outside of OT.

Average college game is at least 3:30.
 
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I would at least wait till Alabama makes a hire before I pass judgement. Better yet give them a year to evaluate their performance.
 
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If these other NON-GOATS can get it right when getting the right fit for their OC, then I fully expect the decision to be right, especially seeing what our issues have been the last two years.
CNS kept Gol*ing around for FIVE YEARS...

We all have blind-spots. I'm just hoping CNS will do better this time.
 

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CNS kept Gol*ing around for FIVE YEARS...

We all have blind-spots. I'm just hoping CNS will do better this time.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt with Petey G, because it very well could have been a situation where he truly thought he had the next young "Kirby Smart" on his hands and he was giving him time to grow that he wouldn't otherwise do.


....or Petey G finally burned the pictures.
 
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I’m glad both DC/OC are gone. But one problem that I can’t shake and not sure whose shoulders it rests on, was the lack of that dog mentality. And some of our guys having anxiety before games. Those issues should be addressed as well. The last two years we didn’t have that killer instinct. Along with the mental errors, something needs to be corrected there.
 

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I’m glad both DC/OC are gone. But one problem that I can’t shake and not sure whose shoulders it rests on, was the lack of that dog mentality. And some of our guys having anxiety before games. Those issues should be addressed as well. The last two years we didn’t have that killer instinct. Along with the mental errors, something needs to be corrected there.
It starts at the top and ends at the top, with Saban. The man is human and is just as susceptible to letting his guard down as the rest of us. Which is why I am SO THANKFUL David Pollack decided to superman kick Nick Saban and the Alabama program square in the junk on national tv, with Saban having to sit three foot from him while he did it. I think the entire program including Nick Saban needed a wake up call. If that didn't do it then we know it is time to go to the lake and watch the ducks crap on the ground.
 

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