FINALLY - someone in "national media" gets it (mostly) right about Brandon Miller (SI had it too and deleted it)...

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It was a stupid thing for him to say. It would have been a stupid thing for him to have said even if there were not this situation going on the past month. Because someone can be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If he does have tunnel vision, and was unaware of what Coach Oats said, then LOOK UP once and a while. I do not excuse him at all.
 

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First and foremost, I don't hole Miller accountable at all for the crime.

However, I agree with Coach Saban here. Miller could have avoided this situation entirely by telling his teammate to come and get his gun if he wanted it, since it was after midnight. So, regardless of the situation, he did put himself near the crime.

There was a choice, and even though Miller did not commit any crime, he put himself in a compromising situation. He's young and many of us could have made the same choice.

I'm sure this is a common talking point of Coach Saban's, so I assume he's not contradicting Coach Oats as much as he's repeating what he says to his team all of the time.
 

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First and foremost, I don't hole Miller accountable at all for the crime.

However, I agree with Coach Saban here. Miller could have avoided this situation entirely by telling his teammate to come and get his gun if he wanted it, since it was after midnight. So, regardless of the situation, he did put himself near the crime.

There was a choice, and even though Miller did not commit any crime, he put himself in a compromising situation. He's young and many of us could have made the same choice.

I'm sure this is a common talking point of Coach Saban's, so I assume he's not contradicting Coach Oats as much as he's repeating what he says to his team all of the time.
So far as we know *and I'm going by what information is publicly available* Miller did not know the gun was even in the car. Nor did he know Miles asked him to bring it! He was responsible to pick up his friend and he was following through on that responsibility.

I'm extremely disappointed in Coach Saban here.
 

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First and foremost, I don't hole Miller accountable at all for the crime.

However, I agree with Coach Saban here. Miller could have avoided this situation entirely by telling his teammate to come and get his gun if he wanted it, since it was after midnight. So, regardless of the situation, he did put himself near the crime.

There was a choice, and even though Miller did not commit any crime, he put himself in a compromising situation. He's young and many of us could have made the same choice.

I'm sure this is a common talking point of Coach Saban's, so I assume he's not contradicting Coach Oats as much as he's repeating what he says to his team all of the time.
You're making assumptions. And the main reason Miller went to Miles, was to pick him up from the club. And from all I've seen, Miller didn't know the gun was in his back seat hidden in a cap. If he saw the text, it was too late anyway. And besides, Miller couldn't have known any bad intentions with the gun. Miles had it legally. But in hindsight, it's easy to point and say "should have".
 

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You're making assumptions. And the main reason Miller went to Miles, was to pick him up from the club. And from all I've seen, Miller didn't know the gun was in his back seat hidden in a cap. If he saw the text, it was too late anyway. And besides, Miller couldn't have known any bad intentions with the gun. Miles had it legally. But in hindsight, it's easy to point and say "should have".
Alright, maybe he didn't know about the weapon, but he still went out late at night, and as Coach Saban has said many times, nothing good happens after midnight, certainly anywhere near the strip. I get going to pick up your friend, but the statement still applies.

 
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So far as we know *and I'm going by what information is publicly available* Miller did not know the gun was even in the car. Nor did he know Miles asked him to bring it! He was responsible to pick up his friend and he was following through on that responsibility.

I'm extremely disappointed in Coach Saban here.
I respectfully disagree, in that I'm quite sure Coach Saban has said there is no such thing as wrong place, wrong time with respect to being out late MANY times to his players. Don't put yourself out in a place where you can be in the wrong place. We've had several players hurt on the strip after midnight over the years. Had those players not been out, no harm on the strip would have happened.
 

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Just guessing. But I’ve worked in media for 28 years. So it’s somewhat educated.

This piece was published on platforms that have, for weeks, shown a pattern of having an ax to grind. I stop short of “malice” because that’s where things get really interesting. But they’re not likely to publish or host anything that would come anywhere close to admitting wrong due to legal exposure.

That was a fan piece that was probably published through a content management system and not vetted by the SI editorial establishment. Once discovered, it was removed. If I were in editorial management at SI, it’s exactly what I’d do. For the exact purpose of CYA. But it happened. I took a screen shot. 😉

If the hit pieces from last month start to disappear, you’ll REALLY know something is up. Just for added interest… some national writers are starting to delete tweets about Brandon that were particularly hot takes. One writer in particular. Pretty damning stuff.
Just to clarify, this was not a fan piece. My son is a student intern for Bama Central in Tuscaloosa. That article was written by a full-time employee who is one of the main writers covering Alabama. I asked my son about it being taken down and he said they were told very little as to why.
 

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I respectfully disagree, in that I'm quite sure Coach Saban has said there is no such thing as wrong place, wrong time with respect to being out late MANY times to his players. Don't put yourself out in a place where you can be in the wrong place. We've had several players hurt on the strip after midnight over the years. Had those players not been out, no harm on the strip would have happened.
You are disagreeing with a point I did not make, at least in my response to you. I am saying there is no way Miller could have "avoided this situation entirely by telling his teammate to come get his gun if he wanted it." Miller did not know a gun was in his vehicle, nor did he know that Miles had texted him to bring it, until after the fact.

I know we are probably skating on thin ice here, as the moderators have got to be sick of seeing this rehashed. But these are details all of us ought to be aware of, most especially Coach Saban.
 

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I respectfully disagree, in that I'm quite sure Coach Saban has said there is no such thing as wrong place, wrong time with respect to being out late MANY times to his players. Don't put yourself out in a place where you can be in the wrong place. We've had several players hurt on the strip after midnight over the years. Had those players not been out, no harm on the strip would have happened.
So young adult college students shouldn't go out and celebrate or have fun? I don't see that as a problem. The problem I see is too many irresponsible young people carrying guns.
 

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Just to clarify, this was not a fan piece. My son is a student intern for Bama Central in Tuscaloosa. That article was written by a full-time employee who is one of the main writers covering Alabama. I asked my son about it being taken down and he said they were told very little as to why.
So this was a full time writer for SI that wrote the piece that was pulled or someone at Bama Central?
 

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To be fair, Selma, it caused a 'ruckus' on this board, and we're Alabama fans.
But that's being caused by the insistence on a media that cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.

Without "Miller DELIVERED THE GUN" - media verbiage - none of this is even a story.
At all.

And this demand for a punishment/suspension by the same people who in every other case tell us "innocent until proven guilty" is absurd.

Much of the high stress expressed here has its roots in how the media and pundits are covering the story.


Alabama folks are mad at Saban over last year's Swiss cheese defense.
 

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But that's being caused by the insistence on a media that cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.

Without "Miller DELIVERED THE GUN" - media verbiage - none of this is even a story.
At all.

And this demand for a punishment/suspension by the same people who in every other case tell us "innocent until proven guilty" is absurd.

Much of the high stress expressed here has its roots in how the media and pundits are covering the story.


Alabama folks are mad at Saban over last year's Swiss cheese defense.
"Delivered the gun," as I recall, came directly from the police detective's sworn testimony; ditto with the alternative fact that Miller and Bradley "blocked" the jeep from leaving. Those details from a Tuscaloosa cop are still driving the narrative.

One other point: I'm shaking my head at Nick Saban's comments on wrong place/wrong time based solely on the sheer tone-deafness of what he had to say, not by reading 500 words of calculated outrage from some blogger.
 
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"Delivered the gun," as I recall, came directly from the police detective's sworn testimony; ditto with the alternative fact that Miller and Bradley "blocked" the jeep from leaving. Those details from a Tuscaloosa cop are still driving the narrative.
God forbid that a journalist do his or her job by lowering the temperature. You know, Johnnie Cochran went "police planted the glove" - and the media went with that. "Cochran claims cops who never met until the night of the murder conspired on the spot to frame Simpson" would have been doing their actual jobs since that's exactly what he was alleging.


One other point: I'm shaking my head at Nick Saban's comments on wrong place/wrong time based solely on the sheer tone-deafness of what he had to say, not by reading 500 words of calculated outrage from some blogger.
I concur up to a point.

OTOH - maybe Saban is laying down the "don't come to me when you find trouble with, 'Coach, I was just at de wrong place at de wrong time'" for his own players, too.

But yes, taken truly literally, Saban's response does sound tone deaf.