Jamil Burroughs reportedly "facing discipline" that could impact status with the team

[STONECOLDSABAN]

I thought the same.
Here's the non freshmen DL, not counting Perry.
R-so Damon Payne Jr 6'4" 303 lbs
Sr Tim Smith 6'4" 302 lbs
R-Sr Justin Eboigbe 6'5" 292 lbs
R-Jr Jah-Marien Latham 6'3" 275 lbs
So Jaheim Oatis 6'5" 328 lbs
R-so Aquin Barnes Jr. 6'5", 314 lbs
R-so Monkell Goodwine 6'5" 290 lbs
R-Fr Isaiah Hastings 6'4" 290 lbs

I am not much of an expert on how big or little a d-lineman should be. I think James smith is 300 plus pounds already. Oatis is still a Hoss even after slimming down.

 

[gtgilbert]

I don’t want what I am about to say to come off as nasty or disrespectful to the kid at all. But if what you say is true why did we recruit him at defensive line??? Like this is a real question not meant out of spite. He has been in the program for almost 2 years. I have a hard time believing he is not bigger than 265 by now.

I'd guess the staff hoped that getting him into the S&C and nutritional programs on campus would help him add the weight needed to be able to play DL, or that he might trim up a bit and slide out to edge/OLB. He and Alexander had almost the exact same measurables when they enrolled, but now Alexander is down from 265 to 249, where Perry seems to have not moved much at all. His roster weight was 264 in 2022, so it was updated following the offseason, and I can't see a reason the staff would list the wrong weight for him. His frame might just be tapped out, or maybe it's just taking a bit longer to get his body composition right to add good mass. It's not as much of a reach as you might think; Quinnen Williams was 265 when he enrolled although I think he came into year 2 around 285 or so and I think J Allen was even in the 260s when he enrolled.

 

[dayhiker]

I'd guess the staff hoped that getting him into the S&C and nutritional programs on campus would help him add the weight needed to be able to play DL, or that he might trim up a bit and slide out to edge/OLB. He and Alexander had almost the exact same measurables when they enrolled, but now Alexander is down from 265 to 249, where Perry seems to have not moved much at all. His roster weight was 264 in 2022, so it was updated following the offseason, and I can't see a reason the staff would list the wrong weight for him. His frame might just be tapped out, or maybe it's just taking a bit longer to get his body composition right to add good mass. It's not as much of a reach as you might think; Quinnen Williams was 265 when he enrolled although I think he came into year 2 around 285 or so and I think J Allen was even in the 260s when he enrolled.

My recollection of this thread is that people were saying he would be a big loss and that he showed out in the spring. Either the weight is wrong or it doesn't matter with how he was going to be used. Again, this is just from what I recall in the early stages of this thread. I'm mainly posting because the thread seems to be going a bit haywire based on your "what-if" scenario.

 

[davefrat]

My recollection of this thread is that people were saying he would be a big loss and that he showed out in the spring. Either the weight is wrong or it doesn't matter with how he was going to be used. Again, this is just from what I recall in the early stages of this thread. I'm mainly posting because the thread seems to be going a bit haywire based on your "what-if" scenario.

I couldn't care less how much he weighs or how much he would have contributed to the team.

He's gone and for good reason.

Good riddance.

 

[gtgilbert]

My recollection of this thread is that people were saying he would be a big loss and that he showed out in the spring. Either the weight is wrong or it doesn't matter with how he was going to be used. Again, this is just from what I recall in the early stages of this thread. I'm mainly posting because the thread seems to be going a bit haywire based on your "what-if" scenario.

You're talking about Burroughs - kicked off the team.

With the weight comments, I was talking about Perry in response to questions about who might step up and grab some extra reps with Burroughs gone. I don't think Perry would be in contention as he's still got some work to do to get to the size needed to play as one of the bigs in our scheme.

 

[dayhiker]

You're talking about Burroughs - kicked off the team.

With the weight comments, I was talking about Perry in response to questions about who might step up and grab some extra reps with Burroughs gone. I don't think Perry would be in contention as he's still got some work to do to get to the size needed to play as one of the bigs in our scheme.

Sorry about that. I see it now.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

So is he officially gone or still there until he either works things out or gets to the window for the transfer...? (I don't yet understand how all of this portal stuff works yet.)

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

You're talking about Burroughs - kicked off the team.

With the weight comments, I was talking about Perry in response to questions about who might step up and grab some extra reps with Burroughs gone. I don't think Perry would be in contention as he's still got some work to do to get to the size needed to play as one of the bigs in our scheme.

https://www.on3.com/college/alabama...ranfer-decision-alabama-crimson-tide-defense/

Yeah, I was trying to steer the conversation into a "who's going to step up" direction. Because now is definitely the time for someone to step up.

 

[gtgilbert]

https://www.on3.com/college/alabama...ranfer-decision-alabama-crimson-tide-defense/

Yeah, I was trying to steer the conversation into a "who's going to step up" direction. Because now is definitely the time for someone to step up.

Agree that someone will have to try and fill the gap. I think it's interesting that Cubelic mentions that even Eboigbe isn't really the right body type to play that role either as he's 'lighter and sleeker' even though he's 290+.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

Agree that someone will have to try and fill the gap. I think it's interesting that Cubelic mentions that even Eboigbe isn't really the right body type to play that role either as he's 'lighter and sleeker' even though he's 290+.

I wasn't quite sure i followed Cole about that. JE didn't seem to have any trouble before his injury in both pass rushing and run stuffing. I really respect Cole Cublic and his take. But sometimes I got to remember he will downplay certain bama things and then lose his mind about auburns o-line transfers from Tulsa or whatever.
But anyway, Get on the James Smith Train!!!!!

 

[gtgilbert]

I wasn't quite sure i followed Cole about that. JE didn't seem to have any trouble before his injury in both pass rushing and run stuffing. I really respect Cole Cublic and his take. But sometimes I got to remember he will downplay certain bama things and then lose his mind about auburns o-line transfers from Tulsa or whatever.
But anyway, Get on the James Smith Train!!!!!

He's right about this one though. Without making this way to long and detailed, even though we list them all as "DL", we typically have different types of guys in different roles. Kinda like XL, XXL, and XXXL dudes. The XL's are typically 280-295, but that's not a hard and fast rule, who play in our 3 DL alignment on the opposite side from the Jack and they can kinda be edge players if the offense formation flips and we can't flip the Jack over. Then the other two XXL, and XXXL are more interior 'purists' who are more like DTs in a 4 man line.

Burroughs was an XXL/XXXL, while Justin is more of an XL.

Think back to when we had Robinson, Reed and Allen as the starting DL. All very good and pretty versatile, but were not 100% interchangeable parts along the front. Allen was 290 at graduation, and was the XL. the other two were the bigger of the 3.

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

He's right about this one though. Without making this way to long and detailed, even though we list them all as "DL", we typically have different types of guys in different roles. Kinda like XL, XXL, and XXXL dudes. The XL's are typically 280-295, but that's not a hard and fast rule, who play in our 3 DL alignment on the opposite side from the Jack and they can kinda be edge players if the offense formation flips and we can't flip the Jack over. Then the other two XXL, and XXXL are more interior 'purists' who are more like DTs in a 4 man line.

Burroughs was an XXL/XXXL, while Justin is more of an XL.

Think back to when we had Robinson, Reed and Allen as the starting DL. All very good and pretty versatile, but were not 100% interchangeable parts along the front. Allen was 20 at graduation, and was the XL. the other two were the bigger of the 3.

So what you're saying is............we should get on the James smith train!!!! (Blue font).

 

[STONECOLDSABAN]

He's right about this one though. Without making this way to long and detailed, even though we list them all as "DL", we typically have different types of guys in different roles. Kinda like XL, XXL, and XXXL dudes. The XL's are typically 280-295, but that's not a hard and fast rule, who play in our 3 DL alignment on the opposite side from the Jack and they can kinda be edge players if the offense formation flips and we can't flip the Jack over. Then the other two XXL, and XXXL are more interior 'purists' who are more like DTs in a 4 man line.

Burroughs was an XXL/XXXL, while Justin is more of an XL.

Think back to when we had Robinson, Reed and Allen as the starting DL. All very good and pretty versatile, but were not 100% interchangeable parts along the front. Allen was 20 at graduation, and was the XL. the other two were the bigger of the 3.

Seriously though, Do you think we can fill that void?

 

[bamacpa]

Perry was as quick off the ball as any high school DL I've seen.

 

[gtgilbert]

Seriously though, Do you think we can fill that void?

We've still got 5 DL guys on the roster who are 300+, and James Smith who was just a little under that coming out of spring. Two starters we knew, in Oatis and Tim Smith. I think the most likely to pick up reps as next man up is likely Payne now. Keenan and Barnes are wildcards as Keenan only got a couple snaps last year, and Barnes hasn't seen the field at all. One of them probably needs to step up. James Smith looked good in spring for sure, and should be productive.

Net, we are a bit thin on big bodies, unless either Keenan or Barnes steps up, as we usually rotate 4-5 guys through those two spots. Eboigbe could, in theory, slide inside in a pinch, but it's not the best use of what he does well, and there isn't much behind him in experience at the smaller DE spot.

 

[Tidelines]

We've still got 5 DL guys on the roster who are 300+, and James Smith who was just a little under that coming out of spring. Two starters we knew, in Oatis and Tim Smith. I think the most likely to pick up reps as next man up is likely Payne now. Keenan and Barnes are wildcards as Keenan only got a couple snaps last year, and Barnes hasn't seen the field at all. One of them probably needs to step up. James Smith looked good in spring for sure, and should be productive.

Net, we are a bit thin on big bodies, unless either Keenan or Barnes steps up, as we usually rotate 4-5 guys through those two spots. Eboigbe could, in theory, slide inside in a pinch, but it's not the best use of what he does well, and there isn't much behind him in experience at the smaller DE spot.

You left out Hastings. He was a bit of a project coming out of high school. But you don’t sign with Bama if you aren’t talented

 

[gtgilbert]

You left out Hastings. He was a bit of a project coming out of high school. But you don’t sign with Bama if you aren’t talented

that was intentional. See how I mentioned guys over 300+ (or very close to it). He isn't. If he can get the weight on, he could certainly develop, but at least coming out of spring he didn't have the mass we typically look for to be able to play one of the inside roles.

 

[Tidelines]

I would think he is over 300 lbs. by now. He was 290 coming out of high school.

 

[gtgilbert]

I would think he is over 300 lbs. by now. He was 290 coming out of high school.

Still listed as 290 at the end of spring and there are players whose weights were updated by as little as 1-2 pounds in either direction so there's no reason to think the staff just skipped updating his. Could have changed post spring, but we won't know that until fall practice start when there is another round of roster updates.

 

[BhamToTexas]

He's right about this one though. Without making this way to long and detailed, even though we list them all as "DL", we typically have different types of guys in different roles. Kinda like XL, XXL, and XXXL dudes. The XL's are typically 280-295, but that's not a hard and fast rule, who play in our 3 DL alignment on the opposite side from the Jack and they can kinda be edge players if the offense formation flips and we can't flip the Jack over. Then the other two XXL, and XXXL are more interior 'purists' who are more like DTs in a 4 man line.

Burroughs was an XXL/XXXL, while Justin is more of an XL.

Think back to when we had Robinson, Reed and Allen as the starting DL. All very good and pretty versatile, but were not 100% interchangeable parts along the front. Allen was 20 at graduation, and was the XL. the other two were the bigger of the 3.

Just wanted to say that I really enjoy your posts on subjects like this. Please continue.