BREAKING Buchner to start- per reports

[editder]

Until the next guy up isn't the second coming of Mac Jones or Tua. LOL!

I expect we will have lower highs and (hopefully) higher lows.

 

[crimsonaudio]

He hit some nice passes over the last couple of weeks, where a comment like this feels exaggerated.

I don’t know if he has the ability to read a Defense very well, but the guy has skills

I don't think there's any chance Bama achieves its team goals for 2023 if JM continues to be the starter.

He has great athletic skills but he also has great voids in his ability to manage the offense.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Me too. But we all saw the Offensive Line play. Until that issue is resolved with personnel, play calling and execution we're gonna struggle with talented defenses.

Meh, JM had 2-3 seconds, on average, to get the ball out.

IOW, he had roughly the same amount of time it took QE to get the ball out.

We've discussed it to death but while no QB would have flourished behind that OL last Saturday, JM's slow decision-making exacerbated the OL's poor play tremendously.

 

[Tidewater]

Hopefully... Milroe is stretching in the running back or defensive back line during pre game warm-ups

That is a bit harsh.
I want the QB that gives Bama the best chance of winning to play, but I will never be happy to see a Bama player to fail.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

He clearly has a good deep ball. I think he could play a lot of places but maybe needs a different style offense. He could probably win some teams a lot of games. The problem at Alabama is its about winning championships. And I'm not sure he can get us to that point at least not with where he currently is.

Problem is I'm not sure Buchner can either. Guess we'll find out though.

I agree that we can’t win a championship of any kind with Milroe at QB. He can make some spectacular plays. He has a good long ball. He has great legs. But Texas laid his weaknesses bare, and every DC on the schedule will try to follow that model.

The unfixable weakness is that the plays you’d call to slow down a pass rush and loosen up a stacked box are exactly the plays he can’t consistently execute. Everybody and their brother will play 7 men up, cheat a safety and tee off on the OL like John Daly on a Titleist. USF might not have the personnel to execute that, but other opponents most certainly do.

So I do think Buchner is our best option. His history, however, is by no means perfect. I’m thinking he can run the short to middle stuff, especially over the middle of the field, and make some quick decisions. IOW, he opens up the playbook.

BUT….he’s had his own struggles with ball security. So it would appear that we have one guy who struggles with ball security and limits my play calling, vs. another guy who also struggles with ball security, but can run the full playbook.

Fully realizing it’s probably not going to be a perfect solution, I’ll take Door #2, Monte.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

He clearly has a good deep ball. I think he could play a lot of places but maybe needs a different style offense. He could probably win some teams a lot of games. The problem at Alabama is its about winning championships. And I'm not sure he can get us to that point at least not with where he currently is.

Problem is I'm not sure Buchner can either. Guess we'll find out though.

I think we may be trying to have national title-contending aspirations with quarterbacks who honestly, aren't even the minimum quality needed to do so at that position. The offensive line has written more checks with their mouths than they have cashed with their play, and until they show material improvement, we may be putting them in the same category as the quarterback position before it's all said and done. The number of times the interior linemen were straight up, one on one, beat off the snap is alarming.

I have no idea what happened to Ty Simpson, I am simply stunned he is on the depth chart where he is considering his physical talent and what he was "supposed to be". But, I do trust that he just isn't getting it and is so far behind on the mental and emotional side of the game that he is where he deserves to be.

 

[glorydays1990]

I agree that we can’t win a championship of any kind with Milroe at QB. He can make some spectacular plays. He has a good long ball. He has great legs. But Texas laid his weaknesses bare, and every DC on the schedule will try to follow that model.

The unfixable weakness is that the plays you’d call to slow down a pass rush and loosen up a stacked box are exactly the plays he can’t consistently execute. Everybody and their brother will play 7 men up, cheat a safety and tee off on the OL like John Daly on a Titleist. USF might not have the personnel to execute that, but other opponents most certainly do.

So I do think Buchner is our best option. His history, however, is by no means perfect. I’m thinking he can run the short to middle stuff, especially over the middle of the field, and make some quick decisions. IOW, he opens up the playbook.

BUT….he’s had his own struggles with ball security. So it would appear that we have one guy who struggles with ball security and limits my play calling, vs. another guy who also struggles with ball security, but can run the full playbook.

Fully realizing it’s probably not going to be a perfect solution, I’ll take Door #2, Monte.

Agree with all this. Door #2 and Door #3. Before going back to Door #1

That is a bit harsh.
I want the QB that gives Bama the best chance of winning to play, but I will never be happy to see a Bama player to fail.

I dont want any of them to fail either. But when they do fail we gotta move on. Like saban said, this aint the ice cream parlor where everyone gets to be happy. He's not a winning QB for us, and wont be. He either needs to switch positions or switch schools. Thats not saying I'm happy about it. I wish he was the next coming of greatness.. but he isnt... is what it is.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I think we may be trying to have national title-contending aspirations with quarterbacks who honestly, aren't even the minimum quality needed to do so at that position. The offensive line has written more checks with their mouths than they have cashed with their play, and until they show material improvement, we may be putting them in the same category as the quarterback position before it's all said and done. The number of times the interior linemen were straight up, one on one, beat off the snap is alarming.

I have no idea what happened to Ty Simpson, I am simply stunned he is on the depth chart where he is considering his physical talent and what he was "supposed to be". But, I do trust that he just isn't getting it and is so far behind on the mental and emotional side of the game that he is where he deserves to be.

Maybe. But this is Alabama and the goal is championships until we're knocked out. Part of me does kind of think we need to more seriously consider Lonergan if Buchner ain't it either. I agree on Ty clearly something is up with him. Maybe it is just a massive adjustment with him coming from a small HS.


The OL I hope is somewhat fixable. Proctor should improve since he's so young. Maybe Ferguson gets a shot at Guard and allegedly Seth was/is dealing with an injury that was impacting him. And Booker is better than he has played this year.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I agree that we can’t win a championship of any kind with Milroe at QB. He can make some spectacular plays. He has a good long ball. He has great legs. But Texas laid his weaknesses bare, and every DC on the schedule will try to follow that model.

The unfixable weakness is that the plays you’d call to slow down a pass rush and loosen up a stacked box are exactly the plays he can’t consistently execute. Everybody and their brother will play 7 men up, cheat a safety and tee off on the OL like John Daly on a Titleist. USF might not have the personnel to execute that, but other opponents most certainly do.

So I do think Buchner is our best option. His history, however, is by no means perfect. I’m thinking he can run the short to middle stuff, especially over the middle of the field, and make some quick decisions. IOW, he opens up the playbook.

BUT….he’s had his own struggles with ball security. So it would appear that we have one guy who struggles with ball security and limits my play calling, vs. another guy who also struggles with ball security, but can run the full playbook.

Fully realizing it’s probably not going to be a perfect solution, I’ll take Door #2, Monte.

Yea I agree completely. As I said above I do wonder if we need to more seriously consider Lonergan if Buchner isn't the guy. But obviously that would limit the playbook because I doubt he is fully caught up. But still, if we are going to have lumps I rather have lumps with a TF who basically everyone seems to think is the most talented guy on the team right now and let him develop then just play a guy who might be a more experienced but still cost us games with TOs.

 

[BamaMoon]

Milroe is a wonderful athlete and seems to have plenty of speed. Throw him in the receivers room and see how he does or as a scat back.

If Buchner becomes QB#1, then JM is probably QB#2 and I hope what he'll do is grind harder than ever before to figure out why he lost his starting position and work to be ready if he's called on again, which could be sooner than we think if TB fails or gets injured.

Additionally, I hope that TS is doing everything he can to overcome whatever is holding him back to be ready if he's called on. Everything we've heard about him is it's not his arm talent that's keeping him off the field. So grind away and accept the coaching critiques and be ready Ty Simpson.

We may need all three of these guys to win from here on out!

 

[Cruloc]

I think we may be trying to have national title-contending aspirations with quarterbacks who honestly, aren't even the minimum quality needed to do so at that position. The offensive line has written more checks with their mouths than they have cashed with their play, and until they show material improvement, we may be putting them in the same category as the quarterback position before it's all said and done.

I have no idea what happened to Ty Simpson, I am simply stunned he is on the depth chart where he is considering his physical talent and what he was "supposed to be". But, I do trust that he just isn't getting it and is so far behind on the mental and emotional side of the game that he is where he deserves to be.

I'm hoping with Buchner maybe being able to make some line adjustments and hopefully able to execute the intermediate passing game that it helps the OL not have so much pressure. So hopefully the QB and OL play improves together.

I'd like to see the RB's stand their blitzing LB up tomorrow as well. The TE's need to stick their blocks as well.

Just that should loosen things up a bit. Now, I am curious to see how Buchner handles the pressure of being the guy. Hopefully he rises to the occasion, limits back breaking mistakes.

Simpson....hopefully the adversity helps him grow.

Milroe....I just don't know anymore. The kid is so likeable and he's such a freak athlete, but his QB play is so hit and miss the offense would never have any consistency.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I don't care until I see an offensive line that isn't 5 pansy flowers floating in the breeze.

Fire off the ball and knock some people on their rear ends. Form a cohesive pocket without pressure up the middle. Open running lanes for RBs.

The rest doesn't matter until that gets fixed.

 

[UAH]

I think we may be trying to have national title-contending aspirations with quarterbacks who honestly, aren't even the minimum quality needed to do so at that position. The offensive line has written more checks with their mouths than they have cashed with their play, and until they show material improvement, we may be putting them in the same category as the quarterback position before it's all said and done. The number of times the interior linemen were straight up, one on one, beat off the snap is alarming.

I have no idea what happened to Ty Simpson, I am simply stunned he is on the depth chart where he is considering his physical talent and what he was "supposed to be". But, I do trust that he just isn't getting it and is so far behind on the mental and emotional side of the game that he is where he deserves to be.

in terms of TS I tend to think about the many athletes in college and professional sports who found themselves on the bench with one team then had spectactular careers when they made a change. It happens over and over again in the NFL because coaches make mistakes in judgement or the climate is not right for them to have time to prove themselves.

 

[glorydays1990]

The improved QB play.. will improve the entire offense, including the line.

I have zero issues with our OL. Its not going to be the OL from the Ingram/Richardson/Lacy days. But it will be plenty good enough to win games and championships with.

Texas had a good DL. Perhaps the best interior lineman in the country.

They also knew they could tee off on us because we had an inadequate QB. Give us the QB that can make checks, hit a hot read, run a screen pass, make quick decisions and stand in the pocket. It'll make it easier to run and pass protect both.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Agree with all this. Door #2 and Door #3. Before going back to Door #1

A couple of points there….My question is who really is #3? Is it Simpson or Lonergan? I don’t know, but I’m deadly curious.

Also, not just at Alabama, but anywhere: I’m unaware of a QB being named the starter, then getting benched for performance (i.e., not injury), then regaining the starting job and being successful.

I honestly don’t know how you return to Milroe if Buchner falls on his face.

Tryouts happen in practice. Decisions are for games. I think the coaches made the decision with the idea that it’s permanent.

 

[RammerJammer15]

I’m actually kind of surprised that Buchner is starting, I figured he’d get a lot of playing time tomorrow though.

I wonder if it was a situation where they feel that Buchner was the guy all along and he’s now ready or what they saw from Milroe on film shook them so much that they had to make a change immediately?

 

[glorydays1990]

A couple of points there….My question is who really is #3? Is it Simpson or Lonergan? I don’t know, but I’m deadly curious.

Also, not just at Alabama, but anywhere: I’m unaware of a QB being named the starter, then getting benched for performance (i.e., not injury), then regaining the starting job and being successful.

I honestly don’t know how you return to Milroe if Buchner falls on his face.

I dont think you can. Again the Milroe starts last year against Texas AM and this year against Texas show what he is.

If he's a leader and someone the team likes and rallies around. Put a wildcat package together where he can get in a few plays here and there.

But he's not the QB and wont be. We gave him an honest shot. Hopefully now the team can get fully behind Buchner and Buchner will be adequate. Honestly, thats all we need is adequate.

 

[CoolBreeze]

in terms of TS I tend to think about the many athletes in college and professional sports who found themselves on the bench with one team then had spectactular careers when they made a change. It happens over and over again in the NFL because coaches make mistakes in judgement or the climate is not right for them to have time to prove themselves.

I see your point. Every position is uber competitive at the Capstone as well as highly publicized. Had he started at a smaller program starting early getting experience under fire he could transfer to a bigger program ready for primetime. But that is also pure speculation. I love the kid like I do all of our players but if we are talking about Lonergan already then some of our QBs need to be looking for another landing spot for playing time.

 

[TAKEPRIDE22]

Me too. But we all saw the Offensive Line play. Until that issue is resolved with personnel, play calling and execution we're gonna struggle with talented defenses.

Yeah, seems like most are more concerned with the QB play and overlooking that the OLine has troubles blocking last week.

 

[CoolBreeze]

I’m actually kind of surprised that Buchner is starting, I figured he’d get a lot of playing time tomorrow though.

I wonder if it was a situation where they feel that Buchner was the guy all along and he’s now ready or what they saw from Milroe on film shook them so much that they had to make a change immediately?

I think it goes back to Coach saying the QB competition would last on into the season. I am sure Tommy has a lot of input as well and if he is the one with the bug in Coaches ear then Buckner has his chance to wrestle the position away for good as long as he plays well.