Jalen Milroe is now the starter going forward.

[davefrat]

It's amazing how many new members we have after a loss and a bad win compared to how many we've had over the last decade plus of success.

And they seem to be overwhelmingly negative.

 

[glorydays1990]

I'm only laughing at this because of the blunt way you say it all. Not because I substantially disagree with most of it.

everyone is allowed to their own thoughts. Not here to argue with anyone.

Your manager of a company: youve got 3 people you can choose from as the assistant manager. One you KNOW is better although its not a clear cut choice... but the people in the company dont like this particular person for whatever reason... and they clearly LOVE another one of the 3.

Which are you hiring? Again.. not here to argue..

Now if it were a situation where this one guy was CLEARLY head and shoulders better, you could sit down with your group and make it a little easier to get them on board.

Again we can agree to disagree. If you think things are all rosy in tuscaloosa and inside that locker room and everyone is happy happy joy joy. So be it

 

[BamaMoon]

Question:

Do we know the following unequivocally?

1) Following the Texas game Milroe was benched, or informed that the other guys were going to get significant PT against USF.
2) Milroe subsequently pouted, or displayed a bad attitude, or something along those lines and was then suspended for the USF game.
3) During the week of preparation and during the game Saturday, Milroe displayed a better attitude, was a good teammate and encouraged the other QBs, etc..
4) Due to his attitude improvement, he was subsequently reinstated as the starter.

This is the narrative I keep hearing pushed, and I understand those of you who have sources cannot reveal certain things or confirm / deny, etc..

Some of this tracks for me - particularly the suspension piece because given the train wreck that the offense was for a good chunk of the day on Saturday I cannot fathom another reason that Milroe didn't see the field other than injury, which doesn't appear to be the case.

What I do question is was Milroe ever truly "benched"? It is hard to buy the notion of going from QB1 to QB3 and then back to QB1 within an 8-day timetable. Did something else happen that we maybe aren't privy to? I can see CNS wanting to give the other guys a shot, but I cannot believe that there would be a scenario that he would intentionally not play a guy and put the team in jeopardy of losing a game on the road just to prove a point or give other guys a chance. Unless that guy made a grevious mistake and was truly suspended.

I'm not trying to character-slam Milroe; never met the guy and don't know anything about him personally. I just have a hard time seeing CNS bury a guy on the depth chart for one week and then suddenly move him back to starter status. I do believe he wanted to see what Buchner and Simpson could do for extended time in live action - but given the struggles I think he would have played Milroe if he was available. I also have a hard time seeing CNS suspend a player for simply having a bad attitude. Not saying he wouldn't, but that would not be his historical MO. By all accounts we had all kinds of bad attitudes on the 2007 and 2010 teams and I don't recall any of those guys being suspended or even benched for that matter.

You left off a key event: a closed door team meeting about "unity." - THAT'S A FACT.

Next day CNS inexplicably announced JM as quarterback that earned it. - THAT'S A FACT.

Perhaps the two don't correlate OR perhaps they do? THAT'S A DEBATE.

But you can understand why a lot of people think it smells fishy.

I personally believe if JM was suspended CNS should have said it and it would remove a lot of the questions. .

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

everyone is allowed to their own thoughts. Not here to argue with anyone.

Your manager of a company: youve got 3 people you can choose from as the assistant manager. One you KNOW is better although its not a clear cut choice... but the people in the company dont like this particular person for whatever reason... and they clearly LOVE another one of the 3.

Which are you hiring? Again.. not here to argue..

Now if it were a situation where this one guy was CLEARLY head and shoulders better, you could sit down with your group and make it a little easier to get them on board.

Again we can agree to disagree. If you think things are all rosy in tuscaloosa and inside that locker room and everyone is happy happy joy joy. So be it

That seems contradictory to me. I also don't think running a company is the same thing as being a HC. There is some crossover but not when picking a manager vs picking a QB.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Also, if we're just saying Simpson is only slightly better than Milroe but the team likes Milroe better than what is all this handwringing about?

 

[glorydays1990]

That seems contradictory to me. I also don't think running a company is the same thing as being a HC. There is some crossover but not when picking a manager vs picking a QB.

Fair enough. Agree to disagree.

 

[twofbyc]

What we've heard on this board is the opposite, that Buckner has been practicing better and better. Sure did not look that way Saturday.

Saban said TB looked good in practice; he might be one of those “practice stars” who shine in practice but fade under the big lights.
Saban has said he’d play the guys that practice the best.
I think the question of Booker not playing and the negative impact that had on the Oline is one some are ignoring. Starting next to him is a true freshman, and Saban himself said him not being there to help KP with calls and assignments probably didn’t help (?). If the Oline plays better Saturday (and Booker plays), this’ll be my story and I’m sticking to it.
The good news for everybody should be that the Dline didn’t miss a beat with JO out. They pitch a shutout if not for Kool Aid’s muffed punt. You can’t ask for more.
If JM threw a tantrum for being benched after his terrible game against Texas, I would have shown him the door. Expecting no repercussions from play like that reeks of entitlement, to me. I have no idea if any of that is true and, it doesn’t matter now. JM is the guy going forward, so Bama’s season is on his shoulders. We’ll find out if he can carry the load. I don’t know how to be optimistic here. All I know to do is wait and watch.
And pray - lots of pray.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I don't like using the word "caves" in this context. To continue my military reference earlier, I am not "caving" to one of my subordinate platoons if they have lost confidence in their leader and I remove them. I am assessing the situation as a whole and making a decision based on what is best for that platoon, especially if I want them to improve. Heck, we even have an evaluation criteria if we remove a leader which covers this: "loss of confidence in their ability to lead." I would guess that is much closer to what Coach Saban did than the negative "caving" to demands.

P.S. Not directed at you RollTide_HTTR, just the general sentiment of Coach Saban caving.

Sure I think that's valid. But then why are we even talking about it like Saban has lost control of the team? If anything that would imply Simpson has done something that lost his teammates confidence and Saban is doing the right thing?

 

[imauafan]

Not real, he’s a phantom. Legend has it he’s just like Ty Simpson. He was here for a little bit, but then disappeared. My brother claims to have seen him once. Yeah right…

I thought Carter roomed with Titus Ryan? They hosted Dennis Void on his official visit.

 

[glorydays1990]

Also, if we're just saying Simpson is only slightly better than Milroe but the team likes Milroe better than what is all this handwringing about?

The team doesnt see it as TS is better.

I cant draw it out any better than that.

It was clear to everyone and certianly to Saban... that after the texas game, JM was never going to be the guy.

Given the reps, chance, etc-- TS could very well be that guy. CNS was ready to make that move. The team wasnt and isnt.

Also its also a projection: JM been here 3 years, had numerous opportunties. TS is only slightly better now, but 2-3 weeks from now, with reps and starts, he could make that big jump?

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The team doesnt see it as TS is better.

I cant draw it out any better than that.

It was clear to everyone and certianly to Saban... that after the texas game, JM was never going to be the guy.

Given the reps, chance, etc-- TS could very well be that guy. CNS was ready to make that move. The team wasnt and isnt.

Also its also a projection: JM been here 3 years, had numerous opportunties. TS is only slightly better now, but 2-3 weeks from now, with reps and starts, he could make that big jump?

That just seems like a lot of logical leaps to me.

 

[davefrat]

The team doesnt see it as TS is better.

I cant draw it out any better than that.

It was clear to everyone and certianly to Saban... that after the texas game, JM was never going to be the guy.

Given the reps, chance, etc-- TS could very well be that guy. CNS was ready to make that move. The team wasnt and isnt.

Also its also a projection: JM been here 3 years, had numerous opportunties. TS is only slightly better now, but 2-3 weeks from now, with reps and starts, he could make that big jump?

Sounds like you either have inside information or you're just stating your opinions.

Which is it?

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I have a hard time believing that CNS is "caving in" to player demands or any demands. Conspiracies are running wild on something we just don't know anything about. We just need some work to get done.

 

[davefrat]

That just seems like a lot of logical leaps to me.

Or to be less diplomatic...sounds like a bunch of Bravo Sierra.

 

[Saban4Ever]

The same Will Anderson leadership that talked about having "anxiety" about the Tennessee game?

Maybe. My opinion is that he was a leader on and off the field with his play, his attitude, etc. Never got in trouble. I think the "anxiety" issue was because Golding didn't prepare the linebackers/defense on what to do and when to do it. Maybe they didn't have confidence in themselves or Golding during game time. Not sure.

 

[glorydays1990]

Sounds like you either have inside information or you're just stating your opinions.

Which is it?

I posted what I know. Ive made 2-3 posts about what I do know.

I made 1 post as my best guess as to how it played out based on what i know. I feel very strongly that 75% of that or better is correct.

Not going to argue about it on the boards. Not going to throw anyone under the bus. Choose to believe what you want to believe.

Obviously there are people on opposite sides of this which is fine.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

We'll learn a lot more about what may be going on over the next couple of weeks by just observing. If Milroe continues to have multiple turnover games and is not replaced then something very strange is going on because Saban has never been very tolerant of QB's who continually turn the ball over.

 

[gman4tide]

Wow, this is getting crazier and crazier. I'll say this...IF the players don't want to play with/for Simpson (and or buchner), then if i was them, i'd go ahead and check on out. Let them have their choice and poor lonergan and any walkon behind him. Many say that coach didn't cave, but if what is being said happened...then that's exactly what coach did. He caved to the teams wishes. I've been a fan for as long as i can remember (i'm 55) but if this stuff turns out to be true, i'll just have to find something else to do 12-14 saturdays a year. That's sad to think about.

 

[81usaf92]

How bad would it have to be though for 2 QBs to jump him...

Everyone keeps referencing the Tua situation as proof Saban caves to players who want a different QB. But the reason they wanted a different QB is because they wanted someone who would get them the ball.

I just don't buy this line of thinking.

Saban didn’t cave in 2017 to players. He was forced to make the switch because Daboll forced him.

 

[davefrat]

I posted what I know. Ive made 2-3 posts about what I do know.

I made 1 post as my best guess as to how it played out based on what i know. I feel very strongly that 75% of that or better is correct.

Not going to argue about it on the boards. Not going to throw anyone under the bus. Choose to believe what you want to believe.

Obviously there are people on opposite sides of this which is fine.

Is what you know from first hand inside information or is it from the same sources that the rest of the 8 billion people on earth have access to?