I don't Recognize the Game of Basketball Anymore

[CajunCrimson]

I can't really decide if the game is that different. I vividly remember late 80's NBA playoff games. What I don't recall is if the college game was similar at the time.

The charge call is basically gone now. That’s been a huge change. Apparently “over the back” and horse-collaring is also legal in Spokane

 

[dayhiker]

The charge call is basically gone now. That’s been a huge change. Apparently “over the back” and horse-collaring is also legal in Spokane

I agree.

I really like that we finally beat a team that plays like that.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I think what would open it up more would be defensive 3-Seconds.

 

[BamaMoon]

I can't really decide if the game is that different. I vividly remember late 80's NBA playoff games. What I don't recall is if the college game was similar at the time.

I was a huge NBA fan in thee 80's and 90's, but I think the Bad Boy Pistons started a lot of this.

I also watched a lot of college then too, but don't remember it being anything like it is now.

But I do think college athletes weren't as muscular and cut "on average" then as they are now.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Last night's game was a "rare" physical contest and the refs let it get out of hand.

 

[BamaMoon]

Alabama is-playground ball?

This is a very intricate refined offense. It’s beautiful to watch. Last night we were playing orcs and trolls. Hard to look good against that stuff

I think he was probably referring to GCU's offense.

 

[BamaMoon]

I think what would open it up more would be defensive 3-Seconds.

Is this still an NBA rule? I know it used to be and it basically forces them to never play a zone and guard with man-to-man.

But until 3 seconds is enforced on offensive players you couldn't call it on the D.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Is this still an NBA rule? I know it used to be and it basically forces them to never play a zone and guard with man-to-man.

But until 3 seconds is enforced on offensive players you couldn't call it on the D.

Yes.
" Any defensive player, who is positioned in the 16-foot lane or the area extending 4 feet past the lane endline, must be actively guarding an opponent within three seconds. Actively guarding means being within arm's length of an offensive player and in a guarding position."

I think the Defense would push the offensive player if they are actively guarding them and that wouldn't be something we would have to worry about.

 

[Krymsonman]

Unless you're playing in an Alabama uniform against Grand Canyon. They'll call everything then.

That was my biggest complaint about last night, especially in the second half. A GC player would drive the lane, and boom, we're called for a foul. We do the same thing at the other end, and nothing.

 

[twofbyc]

I’m 70. There was no “hand checking” and if you blocked a shot it was “all ball” or foul.
There was no “palming” - these guys carry the ball like a waiter carries a dinner tray.
Want to make it consistent? NO TOUCHING except incidental contact while running (without the ball). Make defense about position instead of who’s able to push who outta the way (foul). No “backing down” - if defender is between you and the basket, you go around; going “through” is charging.
That’s the only way you’ll ever get anywhere near consistency- and it’ll never happen. That’s why I stopped watching shortly after you graduated high school.
I’m not sure any sport changed more from the original than basketball in ways that absolutely affect outcomes. Football is close.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I was a huge NBA fan in thee 80's and 90's, but I think the Bad Boy Pistons started a lot of this.

I also watched a lot of college then too, but don't remember it being anything like it is now.

But I do think college athletes weren't as muscular and cut "on average" then as they are now.

Mid to late 1990s NBA basketball was an all out brawl. Scores routinely remained in the 80s for both teams. It was a slower game as well. Rodman, Larry Johnson, Karl Malone, Shaq. You had to be tough to make it in that era.

 

[dayhiker]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1772374225820561655

 

[JDCrimson]

Last night's game could be remade as a basketball version movie of the Longest Yard...

 

[Lifer]

The Bad Boy Detroit Pistons Lambeer, Rodman, Mahorn were first to push the envelope. Hand checking fell out of favor with the NBA but is standard defense in Men's college game.
Then came the Euro step and legally carrying the ball, Curry mastered it.
Lane violations and free throw lane violations…not happening.
Coaches have embraced these practices and apparently teach it.

Refs at every level, at least appears to me, must be schooled on what is a foul and what is a violation.

My .02.

 

[dtgreg]

I was a huge NBA fan in thee 80's and 90's, but I think the Bad Boy Pistons started a lot of this.

I also watched a lot of college then too, but don't remember it being anything like it is now.

But I do think college athletes weren't as muscular and cut "on average" then as they are now.

The Bad Boys brought back 1950's cageball. They convinced the refs that the modern game was too soft and they needed to bring back some manly toughness. Look at team photos of the 50's Celtics and all the broken noses. Look like MMA fighters.

 

[Bpilktree]

I think the same refs of last nights game are at Iowa game and the same thing is happening. Iowa is the highest scoring team and West Virginia is just pushing riding and hand checking on every drive.

I know people talk about how tough and physical the bad boys were but that was partly true when you drove for lay up you would get hit hard but they were not real physical on the outside and there guards didn’t play that type of defense and slacked off. If teams played defense like they did in the 80s and 90s backing off they would get torched. You have to play up tight on guys or they will hit 3’s so when your up tight it tough to defend the drive which causes contact. Nate Oates tells you how game is all the time either shoot 3’s or drive to basket and get lay ups. That the teams strategy and numbers prove that how to play. The drives also are not just to get scores but to get fouls and get better players in foul trouble to get them out of game. The college game started changing early 90s with UNLV and Michigan where they had big physical guys that could also drive. Go on YouTube watch the 86 NCAA championship and then like 92 it changed a lot just in those 6 years. This is 1986 championship all you have to do is watch few minutes and see how far they sit back.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I can't really decide if the game is that different. I vividly remember late 80's NBA playoff games. What I don't recall is if the college game was similar at the time.

I'm a longtime Chicago Bulls fan from the Early-Mid 80s and vividly remember all the Slugfests with Pistons..

CBB was not like that then.

But it is now.... on selective nights anyway.

 

[Bpilktree]

I'm a longtime Chicago Bulls fan from the Early-Mid 80s and vividly remember all the Slugfests with Pistons..

CBB was not like that then.

But it is now.... on selective nights anyway.

You didn’t watch the Big East then. That was very similar with the Hoyas, St. John’s, Syracuse, Pitt, Seton Hall and Villanova it was an all out fight some nights.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

You didn’t watch the Big East then. That was very similar with the Hoyas, St. John’s, Syracuse, Pitt, Seton Hall and Villanova it was an all out fight some nights.

Yeah I didn't really. I mainly watched the SEC and ACC.

I kind of remember Hoyas team with Ewing but that's it really.

 

[Bpilktree]

This is another good example why there is so many fouls and driving. Watch Syracuse’s defense they are so packed in there is no way you can drive they have 5 guys all inside of about 12 ft. There one point about 12 minutes in they passing it around outside and have 4-5 open jump shots about 12-15 feet Syracuse has all 5 guys with a foot in the lane. The improvement of deep shooting was the first thing that changed the game as it pulled defenses out and let the middle open for drives. Lots of teams also played zone back then just forcing people to take jump shots. Now no one ever really plays a zone defense because of shooting ability.