I don't Recognize the Game of Basketball Anymore

[JDCrimson]

If it makes you feel better Estrada did get called for a double dribble last night. I have not seen one of those called in ages.

carrying and traveling are no longer called.

It makes the game much more like a pickup / street game than one of disciplined execution. Also makes defense much tougher to play. Add that to all the physicality that never gets called. There was one game this year where Sears took FIVE steps to the basket on a layup and no call. FIVE!

Last night's game where the big dude for clempson got a rebound and lowered his shoulder and knocked Sears (I think) down then put the ball in the hoop - no call - and then Sears ticky tack fouled him at midcourt - foul.

Lazy officiating and dumbing down the game.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

If it makes you feel better Estrada did get called for a double dribble last night. I have not seen one of those called in ages.

I have, but what I haven't seen is "Carrying" called in ages!

 

[CrimsonNagus]

If it makes you feel better Estrada did get called for a double dribble last night. I have not seen one of those called in ages.

Estrada’s would have been seen by a blind person.

 

[Tidewater]

It certainly is not the game I learned to play and then later coach. I probably would have multiple T’s if I was still coaching.

One of my high school classmates who refs softball now told Mrs. Tidewater that he will not ref a softball game with our Methodist church in that game. Our Methodist coach is too big of a pain in the neck. Our coach challenges every other call, vehemently, and makes the officials' lives generally unpleasant.
In a church league.
What an example.

 

[Padreruf]

One of my high school classmates who refs softball now told Mrs. Tidewater that he will not ref a softball game with our Methodist church in that game. Our Methodist coach is too big of a pain in the neck. Our coach challenges every other call, vehemently, and makes the officials' lives generally unpleasant.
In a church league.
What an example.

I saw a pitcher turn around and cold-**** an ump in a church league game in Mobile decades ago. He was suspended from all ASA (?) play indefinitely. When the ump woke up he awarded us the game and then left the field. I don't blame him...

 

[BamaMike05]

I dont watch as much basketball as I used to, but I haven't seen a 3 second violation called in quite some time.

The main reason for that is because in college the rule is that you only have to have one foot out of the paint for the count to restart. This is unlike every other level of basketball where you must have both feet out for the count to restart.

 

[day-day]

The main reason for that is because in college the rule is that you only have to have one foot out of the paint for the count to restart. This is unlike every other level of basketball where you must have both feet out for the count to restart.

I've never heard or observed this before. The NCAA rules state that it is a violation if any part of the body remains in the lane for more than three seconds.

There are exceptions for dribbling and attempting to make a shot and it is not in effect during a throw-in.

 

[BamaNation]

I can't really decide if the game is that different. I vividly remember late 80's NBA playoff games. What I don't recall is if the college game was similar at the time.

Wimp's last few teams were physical and played incredible defense. Think about the DUDES we had while I was in school 89-93.

just to name a few who weren't afraid to mix it up... Horry, Benoit, Webb, Caffey, Sprewell, Perry

If it makes you feel better Estrada did get called for a double dribble last night. I have not seen one of those called in ages.

I'm all for calling stuff like this even on us ... so long as it is enforced both ways!

 

[BamaMike05]

I've never heard or observed this before. The NCAA rules state that it is a violation if any part of the body remains in the lane for more than three seconds.

There are exceptions for dribbling and attempting to make a shot and it is not in effect during a throw-in.

That is actually incorrect. In fact, here is a good breakdown video about it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743747226042593331

 

[day-day]

That is actually incorrect. In fact, here is a good breakdown video about it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743747226042593331

What I said is not incorrect; your statement is incorrect. The video you posted gives a good explanation. When Edey has one foot on the floor outside of the lane and the other foot is in the air, both feet are out of the lane, not just one.

A player cannot stick a foot out onto the floor outside of the lane and get the reset if the other foot (the one on the floor in the lane) never leaves the floor. Both feet have to be out of the lane to get a reset, not just one; there is no vertical plane so when a foot is off of the floor, it is not "in the lane". It is similar to an out-of-bounds line, if one foot is touching the floor out-of-bounds or on the line, it is out of bounds; the foot can be over the line and it is not considered out of bounds if it is not touching the floor.

I agree with the video. I have rewound during games to check when it appears that a player has violated the 3-second rule and I want to see for myself. Almost always, the player has not violated the rule because of the movement and reset of the count.

From NCAA rules:

Section 9. Three Seconds in the Lane Art. 1. The three-second lane is the area in the frontcourt that is bounded by and includes the end line, the free-throw lane lines and the free-throw line, and includes such lines. Art. 2. It is a violation for a player to have any part of the body remain in the three-second lane for more than three consecutive seconds while the ball is in control of that player’s team in his frontcourt. a. The three-second violation rule is not in effect when a team is in control of the ball for a throw-in. Art. 3. The three-second count is suspended when a player who, having been in the three-second lane for less than three seconds, dribbles or moves in immediately to try for field goal. The player shall not pass the ball instead of trying for goal. In this case, it is a violation when a player exceeds three seconds in the lane and there is no try for goal

 

[BamaMike05]

What I said is not incorrect; your statement is incorrect. The video you posted gives a good explanation. When Edey has one foot on the floor outside of the lane and the other foot is in the air, both feet are out of the lane, not just one.

A player cannot stick a foot out onto the floor outside of the lane and get the reset if the other foot (the one on the floor in the lane) never leaves the floor. Both feet have to be out of the lane to get a reset, not just one; there is no vertical plane so when a foot is off of the floor, it is not "in the lane". It is similar to an out-of-bounds line, if one foot is touching the floor out-of-bounds or on the line, it is out of bounds; the foot can be over the line and it is not considered out of bounds if it is not touching the floor.

I agree with the video. I have rewound during games to check when it appears that a player has violated the 3-second rule and I want to see for myself. Almost always, the player has not violated the rule because of the movement and reset of the count.

From NCAA rules:

That is essentially what I was saying without giving a word for word explanation. So I should have just taken the time to explain myself. But this is what I was meaning. My fault for not explaining myself correctly.

 

[day-day]

That is essentially what I was saying without giving a word for word explanation. So I should have just taken the time to explain myself. But this is what I was meaning. My fault for not explaining myself correctly.

Yeah, I kind of thought it was more of a semantics type thing.

I really like the video and wish more people would see it. There are too many false cries for the 3-second violation and it is also difficult for the refs to get started on the count right when they should. There are times when it needs to be called but not as often as many people think.

 

[dayhiker]