I'm Declaring the Emperor has no clothes (NCAA rules implosion)
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The NCAA Enforcement Division at the very least needs to be dissolved.Given this "emergency NCAA legislation" that just became active today, one has to ask what is the purpose of the NCAA? Should it disolve itself into the waste heap of history? Is there even a point anymore besides just being an event planning consultant?
Dan Lanning makes a great point in this article: Who is thinking about the effect on graduation rates when guys transfer 3 or 4 times? Obviously not the NCAA.
At what point do the fans decide to stop playing their traditional role in this charade since nobody else is playing their traditional roles? My guess is soon.
Stupid is as stupid does. This is stupid and so are the yahoos who have abandoned all reasonable answers...including the judicial system that the NCAA appears to be so scared of.
Can't believe I'm saying this but players need to unionize and leagues (or a reconstituted NCAA with intelligent leaders) collectively bargain with them so that rules can be put in place that all agree to. This needs to happen post haste. This will be the only way that any rules surrounding player responsibilities will be enforced.
NCAA approves new transfer rule allowing immediate eligibility
A new NCAA transfer rule that allows for immediate eligibility will not limit the number of times an athlete can transfer, but they can't transfer midyear and play for a second school in the same season.www.espn.com
I heard on the radio yesterday the NCAA is involved in several anti-trust lawsuits with players from differing concerns with claimed damages in the billions. Enough to topple the NCAA if awarded. These lawsuits have not generated much media attention yet.
The concerns discussed yesterday is it has already.been decided by the Supreme Court the NCAA is an unlawful monopoly on college sports. Any further claims against them will likely be upheld with damages awarded. The immediate and critical concerns are the member institutions liable for a pro rata share of these damages since they perpetuate their own monopoly as members? Is it too late for member institutions to outrun these damage claims by leaving the NCAA? This is why the B10 and the SEC have formed a working group about the future if college athletics. The member institutions are not in a position to share in funding billions in damages. They likely can't rely on their status as tax-funded institutions immune from liability given the amount of money generated doesn't come from taxpayers but commercial enterprise.
The NCAA is dead as an institution...
The concerns discussed yesterday is it has already.been decided by the Supreme Court the NCAA is an unlawful monopoly on college sports. Any further claims against them will likely be upheld with damages awarded. The immediate and critical concerns are the member institutions liable for a pro rata share of these damages since they perpetuate their own monopoly as members? Is it too late for member institutions to outrun these damage claims by leaving the NCAA? This is why the B10 and the SEC have formed a working group about the future if college athletics. The member institutions are not in a position to share in funding billions in damages. They likely can't rely on their status as tax-funded institutions immune from liability given the amount of money generated doesn't come from taxpayers but commercial enterprise.
The NCAA is dead as an institution...
Collegiate athletics needs administration and enforcement of rules. Pre-O’Bannon, I wanted to replace the NCAA with something else.
Post-O’Bannon, I think any replacement organization would face the same anti-trust litigation as the NCAA. Not to mention 50 different states having 50 different sets of applicable law.
You’ve got to have governance that (1) is uniform across all states and (2) will stand up to the scrutiny of the courts.
It could be Congressional legislation. But they’ve shown no serious interest. Also, be careful what you wish for….when that band of morons is involved, whatever they come up with could easily be as bad or worse than what we’re currently dealing with.
It could also be a union / management setup similar to all major professional sports leagues.
As much as I wish we could turn back the clock, we can’t. And as much as I don’t like a union / management negotiation in college sports, it’s the best alternative I see that will be both uniform and enforceable in court.
Post-O’Bannon, I think any replacement organization would face the same anti-trust litigation as the NCAA. Not to mention 50 different states having 50 different sets of applicable law.
You’ve got to have governance that (1) is uniform across all states and (2) will stand up to the scrutiny of the courts.
It could be Congressional legislation. But they’ve shown no serious interest. Also, be careful what you wish for….when that band of morons is involved, whatever they come up with could easily be as bad or worse than what we’re currently dealing with.
It could also be a union / management setup similar to all major professional sports leagues.
As much as I wish we could turn back the clock, we can’t. And as much as I don’t like a union / management negotiation in college sports, it’s the best alternative I see that will be both uniform and enforceable in court.
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So serious question cause I have no idea. How did things work before the NCAA?
I don’t know.
The NCAA was founded in 1906. I have no idea how long it took for it to become the acknowledged governing body over effectively all collegiate sports, or what the transition period looked like.
Regardless, the college sports world of 2024 is in a different universe from the early 20th century. Whatever governance, if any, that might have been in place before 1906 would be irrelevant today.
Come to think of it, what we’re dealing with today (no governance at all), might be similar to pre-1906.
If you read up on the history of college sports (football in particular) you'll see the NCAA was necessitated by schools (Yale, Princeton, etc) hiring ringers to win football games. Even in the early days of CFB the 'power schools' cheated so much some rule enforcement was required.
I've long been for the end of the NCAA, but not for anarchy - I've wanted something streamlined / better.
What we have now - what the NCAA has allowed to happen with its lack of foresight and lack of balls - has literally lost everything that's made CFB special for so long. Now it's just another pro sport with your favorite team's logo on the helmet, but with even fewer rules than the NFL.
I might watch CFB this fall but right now I just don't care. Few (if any) of the players actually care about the school they play for now. The Golden Goose is dead.
I am with you. players don't care. Why should I?
I plan on watching much less college sports
Yeah…funny this past week the portal was supposed to explode with players chasing the NIL dollars. You know what?
I….dont…care. I don’t care who may leave Alabama or who may come to Alabama. Nor do I care much about recruiting since the very same player could be leaving in 6 months and could possibly play at three or more other schools before his career is done.
I should be absolutely psyched about basketball next season after a Final Four run. But we already have several leaving and others coming in. Will we better? Maybe but I’m really done with caring about any of it
Sometimes I look up and think…How did college football get this way? Moving forward I know the game will never be as good as it once was. Therefore I’ve adopted the viewpoint that I will enjoy as much as I can about the game as it is. The lesson here is: Enjoy each day God gives you because change will come…nothing in this life is guaranteed.
There is no doubt that college football is not what it used to be. I have watched less college football over the past years, mostly only Alabama and the better SEC games. I no longer go to games in person, too expensive, loud music that I have never heard before, and loud mouth drunks who want to stand in front of me the entire game. The entire experience is disappointing. I do think that the recent changes with the TP and NIL have given the players a sense of control they have never had before. No doubt they have become more self serving and less team oriented.
College football got this way due to the lust for not only money but more money. The kids looked around at the adults chasing the next multimillion dollar contract all the while telling them to be loyal to team and teammates. Ultimately the kids will do what they see the adults doing. So here we are...
To me this “in a nutshell†is what has changed the most from years prior. I’m not saying the kids today don’t play hard but the higher goal of the team has been tarnished by the self serving athlete. Now that Pandora’s box has been opened it will be near impossible to change it back. Because of that fact I think we might as well go to a pro system and drop the amateur model that college football has been in for a hundred years.
There were also players dying and safety was such a concern that Teddy Roosevelt ordered something to be done or else he would ban the sport. Not sure if people called him a vulgar slang term for female anatomy for that.
To your point, what would you have done to change the rules but not result in what we have now?
Revenue sharing by players based on tenure with the college.
1st year players share = 1%
2nd year players share = 2%
3rd year = 3%
4th and 5th year = 4%
It promotes staying with your original team and treats all players equally.
Aw. Dadgummit. That's a shame. You mean now, the results of a game will be decided on the field and not in the NCAA orwellian "official" record book?
The most obvious solutions are:
1- The transfer portal should never have been created, at least in the form it has been. Transfers should be the rarity, not the norm.
2- The NCAA should have dropped its ridiculous NIL rule many years ago and actually crafted rules that were enforceable, rather than waiting for a lawsuit to force their hand, which resulted in the the clowns throwing their hands into the air and walking away.
Proper management could have saved the sport. I'm fairly certain it's too late now.
Before the NCAA they were playing basketball with peach baskets and a medicine ball (actually I think it was a volleyball) and a football looked like a muddy watermelon and the forward pass was illegal.
I think the only sport that actually resembled what we know today was probably baseball.
I don't think there was much regulation beyond local or regional groups.
As much as I have railed against and wanted to see the NCAA replaced for many, many years, it shouldn't be surprising to me that they'd screw up even this, but here we are.
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