The LA riots

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932234335425323417

Fetterman: I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration—but this is not that.

This is anarchy and true chaos.

My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement.

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1931819132334301525

Mark Kelly: First, Trump arrested a mayor, a member of Congress, and a labor leader. Now, he’s sending in the National Guard — against the advice of local leaders — when police are best equipped to ensure safety and prevent violence.

How’d we get here? Trump decided to prioritize ripping apart families and communities instead of focusing on dangerous criminals.

This isn’t law and order. This isn’t making our country safer or fixing our border. And it isn’t leadership.

 

[Maudiemae]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1931819132334301525

Mark Kelly: First, Trump arrested a mayor, a member of Congress, and a labor leader. Now, he’s sending in the National Guard — against the advice of local leaders — when police are best equipped to ensure safety and prevent violence.

How’d we get here? Trump decided to prioritize ripping apart families and communities instead of focusing on dangerous criminals.

This isn’t law and order. This isn’t making our country safer or fixing our border. And it isn’t leadership.

And now, he's sending in the Marines. Honestly, I think he wanted this kind of thing to happen so he would have an excuse to be the...word I cant say here...he is. He wants power.

 

[Huckleberry]

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This Is What Autocracy Looks Like

Goldberg: Since Donald Trump was elected again, I’ve feared one scenario above all others: that he’d call out the military against people protesting his mass deportations, putting America on the road to martial law. Even in my more outlandish imaginings, however, I thought that he’d need more of a pretext to put troops on the streets of an American city — against the wishes of its mayor and governor — than the relatively small protests that broke out in Los Angeles last week.

In a post-reality environment, it turns out, the president didn’t need to wait for a crisis to launch an authoritarian crackdown. Instead, he can simply invent one.

 

[Tidewater]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932234335425323417

Fetterman: I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration—but this is not that.

This is anarchy and true chaos.

My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement.

Fetterman 2028.
The inauguration will be epic.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Chicago responds to President Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration raids with protests. Here’s what we know.

Chicago is responding to President Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration raids with protests. Here’s what we know with two more planned.

www.chicagotribune.com

I figured it wouldn’t be long until these protests arrived here. Federal Plaza is due east of me, near the “Sears” Tower.

 

[bamamc1]

Yes, Trump is being a hypocrite calling the LA rioters insurrectionists. Everybody who's surprised, raise your hand. Anybody? Anybody? Guess not.

His hypocrisy doesn't change the nature of what these guys are doing. They're rioting, not protesting. And elected officials are so busy trashing Trump that they're not doing what they can to restore order and protect property.

I'm in no way defending Trump's hypocrisy. I'm saying that trashing Trump is neither Collins's nor Newsom's job. Their job is to protect the welfare of the citizens of California, and they're not doing that.

Crimson Jazz nailed it....they're making campaign videos for the Republicans.

If Trump reacts with restraint and just lets them do their thing, they'll make the Republican case better than the Republicans can. Just let the cameras roll and keep the receipts.

Now, he's not the sharpest tool in the box, and isn't exactly known for playing the long game. So who knows how he's going to react? Adovcating that ICE arrest Newsom wasn't a smart start.

Bottom Line: Trump's a hypocrite and not that bright. That doesn't make the riots OK. And Collins and Newsom are working hard to give Republicans campaign material but are too blinded by their hate for Trump to realize that. They're failing both their party and their constituents.

We all watched the place on fire. What did Gavin do? Exactly.

 

[Maudiemae]

We all watched the place on fire. What did Gavin do? Exactly.

There will be many rallies across the U.S. this weekend. Hopefully, non violent. I'm wondering what some of y'all will make of them. I will wave at ya because I will be at the one here.

 

[81usaf92]

And now, he's sending in the Marines. Honestly, I think he wanted this kind of thing to happen so he would have an excuse to be the...word I cant say here...he is. He wants power.

The problem is that you have two people on opposing sides playing politics instead of trying to stop an obvious riot. Gavin is trying to make soundbytes and “I’m tough against Trump” crap instead of doing his job and sending in the Guard once it is obvious that it is out of control. And if you don’t believe he is a bad actor in this situation then you outta turn on TYT because they a ripping his butt over it. Because he knew LAPD doesn’t have the man power to stop a major riot and they are in a serious manpower shortage. He had every opportunity to beat Trump to the punch and activate the CNG like every other rational person would have done in the situation. Gavin is far more focused on 2028 instead of 2025.

Trump is using this as a way to make everyone forget last week. It is a way to push his positive polling back up with in his base. I don’t 100% disagree with him activating the NG because it was obvious Gavin wasn’t. However I question him sending active duty marines into the city. Active Duty usually approaches things from a different perspective than Guard does. Meaning I question what their SOPs and ROEs will be entering LA.

 

[Tidewater]

I don’t 100% disagree with him activating the NG because it was obvious Gavin wasn’t. However I question him sending active duty marines into the city. Active Duty usually approaches things from a different perspective than Guard does. Meaning I question what their SOPs and ROEs will be entering LA.

You got that right.
If the federal actors are not supported by state and local authorities, it is going to be difficult to do anything effective.
The Marines, however, will be told at a minimum that they have an unquestioned right to defend themselves, so folks throwing rocks at them from overpasses had better be careful.

A "whiff of grape" would clear this up in short order.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

We all watched the place on fire. What did Gavin do? Exactly.

Nothing that protected the law-abiding citizens of Los Angeles or supported its police force. He just railed against Trump. That's the point.

And in answer to my favorite question, "What's your alternative?" he should have said something like Fetterman's quote above:

"I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration—but this is not that.

This is anarchy and true chaos.

My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement."

And I would suggest the following add-on (my words, not Fetterman's): We will not tolerate violence and riots under the guise of protest. We stand foursquare behind our law enforcement officers and the protection they provide our citizens and their property. We will quell the current riots and prosecute violent offenders, especially those who assault our law enforcement officers, to the fullest extent of the law. Immediately after we secure peace for our law-abiding citizens, we'll address the Trump administration's actions....which we believe to have been a significant overreach. For the moment, we have other more pressing issues to address.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The most amusing development to me thus far is that after 60 years of hearing how the LAPD is a racist, corrupt, needs to be defunded organization that killed blacks with chokeholds, beat Rodney King, and framed OJ Simpson - now all of a sudden they've become bastions of civil virtue defended by Democrats overnight.

(I'm being about half sarcastic except it always amuses me how "riots" are "really protests" depending on who's doing it, cops are bad except when they're doing what "my side" wants, and we assume virtue or vice based upon whether we agree with the cause or not).

There's one thing I know for sure: until Democrats get better at retail politics, they'll blow this one, too.

Hint: condemning a riotous act caught on camera by a non-white person does not make you a racist (just so long as you're consistent and condemn whites who do the same).

 

[Tidewater]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1931819132334301525

Mark Kelly: First, Trump arrested a mayor, a member of Congress, and a labor leader. Now, he’s sending in the National Guard — against the advice of local leaders — when police are best equipped to ensure safety and prevent violence.

How’d we get here? Trump decided to prioritize ripping apart families and communities instead of focusing on dangerous criminals.

This isn’t law and order. This isn’t making our country safer or fixing our border. And it isn’t leadership.

Polybius, the Greek political scientist, wrote of anacyclosis.

From ochlocracy (mob rule) to monarchy happens not because everyone likes monarchy or the strong man per se, but they are willing to accept this:

to avoid this:


Nobody in that crowd is thinking about Polybius (they are more likely full of Marxoid revolutionary fervor), but human nature is fairly constant and the rioters would do well to not make their conduct so obnoxious that most citizens will prefer monarchy to ochlocracy.

 

[Tidewater]

There will be many rallies across the U.S. this weekend. Hopefully, non violent. I'm wondering what some of y'all will make of them. I will wave at ya because I will be at the one here.

Good for you. Be careful, though. If one of the protestors throws a Molotov cocktail, then the protest is over and you'll be in the midst of a riot. In that case, you may get swept up in governmental responsee or a victim of indiscriminate violence.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

There will be many rallies across the U.S. this weekend. Hopefully, non violent. I'm wondering what some of y'all will make of them. I will wave at ya because I will be at the one here.

Just stay safe and have a solid exit strategy in case things go sideways. I do think you're a lot safer in Florida, though. Florida law enforcement doesn't play around with this sort of thing. (I really miss living there.)

 

[4Q Basket Case]

The most amusing development to me thus far is that after 60 years of hearing how the LAPD is a racist, corrupt, needs to be defunded organization that killed blacks with chokeholds, beat Rodney King, and framed OJ Simpson - now all of a sudden they've become bastions of civil virtue defended by Democrats overnight.

(I'm being about half sarcastic except it always amuses me how "riots" are "really protests" depending on who's doing it, cops are bad except when they're doing what "my side" wants, and we assume virtue or vice based upon whether we agree with the cause or not).

There's one thing I know for sure: until Democrats get better at retail politics, they'll blow this one, too.

Hint: condemning a riotous act caught on camera by a non-white person does not make you a racist (just so long as you're consistent and condemn whites who do the same).

I agree, selma. I also found LA Mayor Collins press conference yesterday amusing. While she didn't use the phrase, the state's rights concept was front and center. Her arguments were the same as were used by southern segregationists in the 60s.

My, how the worm does turn.

But again, she was railing against the Trump administration while parts of her city literally burned. She should have addressed the riots first. Then worried about whether Trump overreached.

 

[JDCrimson]

They may still not have enough water in the hydrants to put these fires out...

I agree, selma. I also found LA Mayor Collins press conference yesterday amusing. While she didn't use the phrase, the state's rights concept was front and center. Her arguments were the same as were used by southern segregationists in the 60s.

My, how the worm does turn.

But again, she was railing against the Trump administration while parts of her city literally burned. She should have addressed the riots first. Then worried about whether Trump overreached.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

They may still not have enough water in the hydrants to put these fires out...

I shouldn't laugh, but I can't help myself. Good one.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I agree, selma. I also found LA Mayor Collins press conference yesterday amusing. While she didn't use the phrase, the state's rights concept was front and center. Her arguments were the same as were used by southern segregationists in the 60s.

Well, the exact same thing happened during the pandemic.

"You won't tell us states what to do" was the mantra from Cuomo to Newsom to Whitmer.

(Just wait until folks drop their attachment to "me good, you bad" myths long enough to realize the first person who used the phrase "law and order" in the 1968 election was none other than Bobby Kennedy.....)

 

[selmaborntidefan]

They may still not have enough water in the hydrants to put these fires out...

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry at this......